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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #110 on: August 03, 2022, 11:57:09 PM »
Baker's hand written statement months later just before the Report was issued also looks contrived---



Alternate floor  and drinking a coke obscured.

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #110 on: August 03, 2022, 11:57:09 PM »

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« Reply #111 on: August 04, 2022, 12:03:39 AM »
The testimony from a variety of sources all corroborate the 2nd floor lunchroom encounter, as they say in the classics "All roads lead to Rome".
And as for Baker being confused about the floor he was on is perfectly understandable because he first walks up steps to get into the Depository and then enters a closed stairwell which has a set of stairs leading to a platform and then he leaves the platform and walks up another set of stairs to the next floor.
In other words Baker was just a dumbass cop and couldn't count floor entries. 

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« Reply #111 on: August 04, 2022, 12:03:39 AM »

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #112 on: August 04, 2022, 12:27:25 AM »
No problem, Mr Collins!  Thumb1:

Now----------------there are two FBI documents (in the production of both of which FBI agent Agent Pinkston is involved) dated 11/22/63 in which Mr Truly is indeed reported as describing a lunchroom incident. And then we have an official interrogation report (by FBI agent Bookhout) that has Mr Oswald confirming such an incident. But we now know (since 2019) that Mr Oswald actually said he visited the lunchroom for a coke BEFORE the P. Parade, which he afterwards went out to see.

Well! You will claim that Mr Oswald is lying. OK. But then you have to explain why two different interrogation reports have Mr Oswald telling two VERY different stories about the second-floor lunchroom in the same interrogation session. Who's doing the lying here?

If the lunchroom incident happened as Mr Truly and (later) Officer Baker claim, why does a false 'confirmation' of it need to put in Mr Oswald's mouth? Because it's a fiction, designed to deprive him of his front steps alibi. And the interrogation report that says NOTHING about his claim to have gone outside to watch the P. Parade just so happens to be the one that has him 'confirm' a lunchroom encounter. Go figure!

And! The interrogation report that DOES have Mr Oswald claim a PRE-Parade visit to the lunchroom but NO cop encounter there, as well as the going outside to watch P. Parade is--------buried. Go figure!

A very naive attempt to harmonize two very different accounts (11/22/63 affidavit + official lunchroom story).

And the man Officer Baker describes in his affidavit was caught "walking away from the stairway".

And Mr Oswald was brought into the Homicide Office while Officer Baker was giving his affidavit-------yet the affidavit makes no connection between the suspect Officer Baker now sees in front of him and the man he caught several floors up walking away from the stairway.

Go figure!

Well of course he did------------he knew the location of the lunchroom. Doesn't mean he was telling the truth about an encounter happening there!

It's v. improbable but not physically impossible. And that's precisely why the lunchroom was chosen (probably by Agent Pinkston) as the location of the fictitious encounter. Mr Oswald was very quickly known to have been out front during the assassination, and there was every possibility that positive proof of this would emerge over the coming days. So they had to choose a location which he could physically have reached in time for an encounter v. shortly after the assassination---------a location that he could conceivably have made his way to from the front steps via the second-floor corridor or office area while Mr Truly & Officer Baker were making theirs via the first-floor shipping room. Otherwise the 'investigating' authorities are caught in a blatant lie.

Mr Oswald did visit the lunchroom, but it was several minutes before the assassination. There was no post-assassination lunchroom encounter.

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There was no post-assassination lunchroom encounter.



So, it appears that you believe that they just made up the story about the lunchroom encounter. Is that right? If so, what do you think LHO did immediately after the assassination? Where do you think he went?

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« Reply #112 on: August 04, 2022, 12:27:25 AM »

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #113 on: August 04, 2022, 01:10:23 AM »


There was no post-assassination lunchroom encounter.



So, it appears that you believe that they just made up the story about the lunchroom encounter. Is that right?

Yes. There was an encounter with a different man by the rear stairway on a higher floor

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If so, what do you think LHO did immediately after the assassination? Where do you think he went?

I don't know for sure, Mr Collins. But I believe strongly he was out on the front steps when the assassination occurred

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« Reply #113 on: August 04, 2022, 01:10:23 AM »

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #114 on: August 04, 2022, 01:13:23 AM »
In other words Baker was just a dumbass cop and couldn't count floor entries.

A second-floor lunchroom encounter with Mr Oswald was invented, in part, to cover (up) a real encounter with a man (not Mr Oswald) whom Officer Baker caught walking away from the stairway on a higher floor.

That same man was seen running from the back of the building shortly afterwards

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« Reply #114 on: August 04, 2022, 01:13:23 AM »

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« Reply #115 on: August 04, 2022, 02:01:40 AM »
Yes. There was an encounter with a different man by the rear stairway on a higher floor

I don't know for sure, Mr Collins. But I believe strongly he was out on the front steps when the assassination occurred


A different man than LHO who was supposedly carrying a rifle? And Truly identified him as an employee? So, Baker just let him go? That’s very difficult to swallow. It appears to me that you are extremely desperate to hang onto your belief.

By the way, how do you explain the sighting of LHO by Mrs. Reid?

She testified that she saw LHO walk in through the back door of her office. This door was only approximately 10’ from the door to the second floor lunchroom. And she saw him enter through that door only seconds after the reported encounter that both Truly and Baker testified about.

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« Reply #115 on: August 04, 2022, 02:01:40 AM »

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #116 on: August 04, 2022, 02:12:08 AM »

A different man than LHO who was supposedly carrying a rifle?

If he heard the two men coming up the stairs, he will have quickly divested himself of the rifle

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And Truly identified him as an employee?

Yes, NB!

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So, Baker just let him go? That’s very difficult to swallow.

Why? If he's lost the rifle, then it's not at all difficult to swallow. And it's what Officer Baker describes in his affidvait

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It appears to me that you are extremely desperate to hang onto your belief.

By the way, how do you explain the sighting of LHO by Mrs. Reid?

She testified that she saw LHO walk in through the back door of her office. This door was only approximately 10’ from the door to the second floor lunchroom. And she saw him enter through that door only seconds after the reported encounter that both Truly and Baker testified about.

Yes, the perfect story to back up the man she immediately answers to. Unfortunately, Ms Geneva Hine puts a dampener on the whole farce

Consider this, Mr Collins:

The three Depository people who talked about seeing Mr Oswald in the Depository after the shooting----------Mr Truly, Ms Reid & Mr Campbell----------just so happen to have been standing together watching the P. Parade just before this.

Out of all the Depository people it might have been, it's the members of this trio. What are the odds, hm?

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« Reply #116 on: August 04, 2022, 02:12:08 AM »

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #117 on: August 04, 2022, 03:10:15 AM »
A second-floor lunchroom encounter with Mr Oswald was invented, in part, to cover (up) a real encounter with a man (not Mr Oswald) whom Officer Baker caught walking away from the stairway on a higher floor...That same man was seen running from the back of the building shortly afterwards.

 Oswald--- reported mentioning in the interrogator's notes that he had a coke...Baker wrote that Oswald had a coke [then was apparently compelled to scratch this out] No one else mentions coke anywhere else.
Jarman testified that he went outside with his buds to watch the parade and then some 5 minutes before the parade came by...they decide to go back upstairs...walked all the way to the back of the building took the elevator up to the 5th floor and opened the SE windows and watched it from there [boy that was cutting it close :-\]
In Truly's typed affidavit...he coincidentally mentions the "elevator stuck on the 5th floor".
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Mr. BELIN. When you got to the fifth floor, as I understand it, the west elevator was not there, but when you started up from the first floor, you thought it was on the fifth floor.
Mr. TRULY. No. When I came down from the second floor---from the seventh floor with the officer, I thought I saw Jack Dougherty on the fifth floor, which he would have had plenty of time to move the elevator down and up and get some stock and come back.
Mr. BELIN. But when you got to the fifth floor that west elevator was not there?
Mr. TRULY. No, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Was it on any floor below the fifth floor?
Mr. TRULY. I didn't look.
Mr. BELIN. As you were climbing up the floors, you did not see it?
Mr. TRULY. No, sir.
 

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« Reply #117 on: August 04, 2022, 03:10:15 AM »

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #118 on: August 04, 2022, 03:17:40 AM »
A different man than LHO who was supposedly carrying a rifle? And Truly identified him as an employee? So, Baker just let him go? That’s very difficult to swallow. It appears to me that you are extremely desperate to hang onto your belief.
There was a report that a guy wearing a brown suit coat/slacks was seen coming out the rear of the TSBD carrying a rifle and kept walking north. You must have seen this posted before now.

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« Reply #118 on: August 04, 2022, 03:17:40 AM »

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #119 on: August 04, 2022, 12:52:57 PM »
If he heard the two men coming up the stairs, he will have quickly divested himself of the rifle

Yes, NB!

Why? If he's lost the rifle, then it's not at all difficult to swallow. And it's what Officer Baker describes in his affidvait

Yes, the perfect story to back up the man she immediately answers to. Unfortunately, Ms Geneva Hine puts a dampener on the whole farce

Consider this, Mr Collins:

The three Depository people who talked about seeing Mr Oswald in the Depository after the shooting----------Mr Truly, Ms Reid & Mr Campbell----------just so happen to have been standing together watching the P. Parade just before this.

Out of all the Depository people it might have been, it's the members of this trio. What are the odds, hm?


Please explain how it is that you believe Geneva Hine “puts a dampener” on this.

 

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