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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #70 on: August 02, 2022, 05:04:36 PM »
Itis questionable if at the time the  Weigman and Darnell films were 1st examined if PM was as visible as he is now.

Could it be that PM was pretty much in total darkness when the original films were seen? Was the negative film frames still as dark?

Because as I understand it, it wasn’t until around 2011?  That somebody ( maybe it was Groden?) who discovered PM after a process of lighting up the negative frames?

If this the case, the the conspirators didn’t see any PM figure that in any way could possibly resemble Oswald . Thus the reason why ther was no added darkening to obscure PMs white object.

Therefore, the reason for the blackened part of Lovelady in Weigman film was possibly because his right arm had to be obscured since his right sleeve was  not rolled up. This was an attempt to hide an anomaly in the 1st version of the Altgens 6 photo , the Cronkite version, which shows what appears to be a forearm raised with some horizontal element ( bottle) and the shirt sleeve rolled up.

After realizing however, that the forearm in the 1sr version Altgens did not belong to the black man in front of Lovelady, the Altgens photo seems to have been altered to “erase” this arm, (and bottle) by adding texture pattern of Loveladys shirt to create the illusion .Loveladys right arm is there.

Only problem is the end of Loveladys right shirt sleeve looks Ike it extends in FRONT of part of the black man’s face. This is obviously Impossible.

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Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #71 on: August 02, 2022, 06:51:29 PM »
Frazier is standing right there.  He is the guy who knew Oswald better than anyone else in the building.  He drove him to work that very morning.  Others there also knew Oswald.  None of them ever claimed Oswald had been standing there.  Frazier has scientific powers of observation in your estimation when it comes to the length of Oswald's bag that morning, But suddenly he doesn't observe Oswald standing right next to him on the steps.  A critical piece of evidence since Oswald would be accused of assassinating the President at that moment.  Unreal.

You mean the same Frazier who was arrested later that day for possible complicity and who Fritz demanded he'd sign a pre-written confession, despite the fact that he was standing on the steps and appears in films and photos?

Until this day nobody has ever positively identified the person they now call PM. He was clearly there, so why did nobody confirm who it was? Could it be they were all focused on other things and simply didn't observe him? Many people simply do not notice things or people that are close to them and many also simply do not recollect information.

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #72 on: August 02, 2022, 07:29:28 PM »
You mean the same Frazier who was arrested later that day for possible complicity and who Fritz demanded he'd sign a pre-written confession, despite the fact that he was standing on the steps and appears in films and photos?

Until this day nobody has ever positively identified the person they now call PM. He was clearly there, so why did nobody confirm who it was? Could it be they were all focused on other things and simply didn't observe him? Many people simply do not notice things or people that are close to them and many also simply do not recollect information.

Could it be they were all focused on other things and simply didn't observe him? Many people simply do not notice things or people that are close to them and many also simply do not recollect information.
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  AKA 'inattentional blindness'

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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #74 on: August 03, 2022, 02:03:25 AM »
So when you said the following, you were not claiming that the fantasy conspirators doctored the photos? 

"Third, that your heroes in the 'investigation' have powers of making him invisible by doctoring the visual record."

~Yawn~

You translated this into "So all the photos and films were doctored AFTER the fact to remove Oswald?"

If you were intellectually secure in your Warren Gullible beliefs, Mr Smith, you wouldn't feel the need to resort again and again and again to this kind of strawman nonsense.

So! If you wish to get away with dismissing the notion that the Wiegman film was doctored to add a fake shadow down Mr Lovelady's side, then you'll need to do a lot better than 'I can't explain the shadow, but I know it's definitely not an issue'.

Explain the shadow, or man up and take the L  Thumb1:

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #75 on: August 03, 2022, 02:09:15 AM »
Itis questionable if at the time the  Weigman and Darnell films were 1st examined if PM was as visible as he is now.

Could it be that PM was pretty much in total darkness when the original films were seen? Was the negative film frames still as dark?

Because as I understand it, it wasn’t until around 2011?  That somebody ( maybe it was Groden?) who discovered PM after a process of lighting up the negative frames?

If this the case, the the conspirators didn’t see any PM figure that in any way could possibly resemble Oswald . Thus the reason why ther was no added darkening to obscure PMs white object.

Therefore, the reason for the blackened part of Lovelady in Weigman film was possibly because his right arm had to be obscured since his right sleeve was  not rolled up. This was an attempt to hide an anomaly in the 1st version of the Altgens 6 photo , the Cronkite version, which shows what appears to be a forearm raised with some horizontal element ( bottle) and the shirt sleeve rolled up.

After realizing however, that the forearm in the 1sr version Altgens did not belong to the black man in front of Lovelady, the Altgens photo seems to have been altered to “erase” this arm, (and bottle) by adding texture pattern of Loveladys shirt to create the illusion .Loveladys right arm is there.

Only problem is the end of Loveladys right shirt sleeve looks Ike it extends in FRONT of part of the black man’s face. This is obviously Impossible.

Yes, it may be that PM=LHO, and the shadow was added to hide the fact that Mr Lovelady's sleeves were down.

The question however is: how realistic is it that Mr Oswald went from here in Altgens--------



---------up to the Prayer Man spot in Wiegman?

We are talking a difference here of only a very few seconds.....

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #76 on: August 03, 2022, 02:19:46 AM »
You mean the same Frazier who was arrested later that day for possible complicity and who Fritz demanded he'd sign a pre-written confession, despite the fact that he was standing on the steps and appears in films and photos?

Until this day nobody has ever positively identified the person they now call PM. He was clearly there, so why did nobody confirm who it was? Could it be they were all focused on other things and simply didn't observe him? Many people simply do not notice things or people that are close to them and many also simply do not recollect information.

Exactly, Mr Weidmann!  Thumb1:

I believe that Mr Oswald went through a similar experience in interrogation as Mr Frazier: he was told 'We know you weren't the shooter, because we know you were on the steps. But...'

Mr Frazier was threatened with a charge of conspiracy in the assassination. Mr Oswald thought that's what he was being accused of. He had no idea they were seriously trying to make a triggerman charge stick.

If Mr Frazier, "out in the hall" at DPD HQ, had been asked by a press reporter, "Did you shoot the President?", he would have taken this to mean, "Were you part of the plot?" And he would have said, 'No', and made no effort to proclaim his front-steps alibi. Either that, or he would have thought the idea of his actually having personally fired the shots as too ridiculous to dignify with a detailed response. Again, he would have felt zero need to proclaim his front-steps alibi.

Same goes for Mr Oswald. He was kept in the dark, precisely so that he WOULDN'T try to vindicate himself in front of the press by stating his location at the time of the shooting. He did not know this was even an issue------------or at issue.

Captain Fritz played him, but good.

And this is why the coming to light in 2019 of the Agent Hosty draft interrogation report was and is of such explosive significance. It allowed us to hear, for the very first time, what Mr Oswald WOULD have screamed to the press had he known what he was really being accused of:



This case has, since 2019, come down to a fight between two rival claims as to Mr Oswald's whereabouts:
a) Front steps (Mr Oswald)
b) Sixth-floor window (WC)

Whether or not Mr Oswald is indeed Prayer Man, claim a) is, in a stunning reversal of fortune, winning
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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #77 on: August 03, 2022, 11:59:15 AM »
Yes, it may be that PM=LHO, and the shadow was added to hide the fact that Mr Lovelady's sleeves were down.

The question however is: how realistic is it that Mr Oswald went from here in Altgens--------



---------up to the Prayer Man spot in Wiegman?

We are talking a difference here of only a very few seconds.....

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How realistic is it that he went from the top of the steps to the second floor lunchroom before Truly and Baker got there, and no one saw him?

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #78 on: August 03, 2022, 01:35:33 PM »
~Yawn~

You translated this into "So all the photos and films were doctored AFTER the fact to remove Oswald?"

If you were intellectually secure in your Warren Gullible beliefs, Mr Smith, you wouldn't feel the need to resort again and again and again to this kind of strawman nonsense.

So! If you wish to get away with dismissing the notion that the Wiegman film was doctored to add a fake shadow down Mr Lovelady's side, then you'll need to do a lot better than 'I can't explain the shadow, but I know it's definitely not an issue'.

Explain the shadow, or man up and take the L  Thumb1:

How would your fantasy conspirators even know who took pictures and films that needed to be doctored?  Imagine the plan.  Months or even years are devoted to framing LHO for the assassination.  At the moment of the assassination, however, he is left free to roam about in the presence of his coworkers and even perhaps be caught on film.  So the conspirators have to leap into action right afterward to obtain all the films and cameras in Dealey Plaza before any photos can be published.  They also have to coerce any random witness who may have seen Oswald and could give him an alibi for the assassination of the president.  It is complete insanity.  All of this could be avoided simply by keeping Oswald out of sight.  There is no basis for this theory in fact or narrative consistency.  It is an outlier even by JFK conspiracy standards.  The stuff of Bigfoot and UFOs.

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« Reply #78 on: August 03, 2022, 01:35:33 PM »

Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #79 on: August 03, 2022, 04:56:18 PM »
How would your fantasy conspirators even know who took pictures and films that needed to be doctored?

Another Smith Strawman........ The conspirators behind the assassination were not trying to frame Mr Oswald as gunman. The 'investigating' authorities were, after the event.

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Imagine the plan.  Months or even years are devoted to framing LHO for the assassination.

~Yawn~

See above.

Your position is: 'I cannot explain the shadow down Lovelady in Wiegman but I know the image hasn't been doctored because I know the shadow down Lovelady must have an explanation that doesn't involve the doctoring of the image so I'm going to keep deflecting from the issue of the shadow down Lovelady in Wiegman that I can't explain'

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