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Online Walt Cakebread

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A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« on: July 31, 2022, 05:19:20 PM »
From page 22 of Hosty's  Assignment: Oswald.

Captain Fritz:  You were working in the book depository today. Is that right?

Lee Oswald:....Yes...

Captain Fritz;  Were you there when the president's motorcade went by?

Lee Oswald:.... Yes...

Captain Fritz:...Where were you when the president went by the book depository?

Lee Oswald:... I was eating my lunch in the 1st floor lunchroom.   

From Cap't Fritz's notes ( which he swore he never took) ....

The following is not verbatim.....

(Oswald ) Says...  Two fellow colored employees walked by the lunchroom while he was eating lunch. One called Junior and other man short stature .....Says he didn't know their names.  Check with Mr Truly to see if he knows the two men. 

The two men were Junior Jarman and Harold Norman and they swore that they in fact did walk by the 1st floor lunchroom at about 12:27....

Lee's statement of seeing those two walk by the lunchroom is a rock solid alibi..... But Lee wasn't using it as an alibi when he replied to Fritz's question ..... He was simply stating what he saw while he was there in that lunchroom. He had no idea that Fritz would question Jarman and Norman, or if they would verify that they had in fact walked by the lunchroom.




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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2022, 06:36:59 PM »
From page 22 of Hosty's  Assignment: Oswald.

Captain Fritz:  You were working in the book depository today. Is that right?

Lee Oswald:....Yes...

Captain Fritz;  Were you there when the president's motorcade went by?

Lee Oswald:.... Yes...

Captain Fritz:...Where were you when the president went by the book depository?

Lee Oswald:... I was eating my lunch in the 1st floor lunchroom.   

From Cap't Fritz's notes ( which he swore he never took) ....

The following is not verbatim.....

(Oswald ) Says...  Two fellow colored employees walked by the lunchroom while he was eating lunch. One called Junior and other man short stature .....Says he didn't know their names.  Check with Mr Truly to see if he knows the two men. 

Yeah, that's the two Oswald could together on the sidewalk from the SN window. He knew they must have went into the building together because he heard them arrive together on the floor and corner below the SN.

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The two men were Junior Jarman and Harold Norman and they swore that they in fact did walk by the 1st floor lunchroom at about 12:27....

Lee's statement of seeing those two walk by the lunchroom is a rock solid alibi..... But Lee wasn't using it as an alibi when he replied to Fritz's question ..... He was simply stating what he saw while he was there in that lunchroom. He had no idea that Fritz would question Jarman and Norman, or if they would verify that they had in fact walked by the lunchroom.

12:27? They heard "Main" on the police radio five minutes earlier.

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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2022, 08:04:56 PM »
Yeah, that's the two Oswald could together on the sidewalk from the SN window. He knew they must have went into the building together because he heard them arrive together on the floor and corner below the SN.

12:27? They heard "Main" on the police radio five minutes earlier.

Yeah, that's the two Oswald could together on the sidewalk from the SN window.

Try selling another fairytale. There is no way anybody walking on the sidewalk either on Elm or Houston could be seen from the SN window. And please spare us your selfserving bogus gif because it's BS also

He knew they must have went into the building together because he heard them arrive together on the floor and corner below the SN.

More desperation on display. You can't prove Oswald was even on the 6th floor, nor do you have any idea what, if anything, could be heard about what was happening on the floor below.


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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2022, 08:42:33 PM »
There’s no reference on police radio to the motorcade being on “Main” until 12:28 dispatcher 1 time.
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Yeah, that's the two Oswald could together on the sidewalk from the SN window.

Try selling another fairytale. There is no way anybody walking on the sidewalk either on Elm or Houston could be seen from the SN window. And please spare us yourself selfserving bogus gif because it's BS also



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He knew they must have went into the building together because he heard them arrive together on the floor and corner below the SN.

More desperation on display. You can't prove Oswald was even on the 6th floor, nor do you have any idea what, if anything, could be heard about what was happening on the floor below.

Oswald's prints on the cartons and boxes, coworkers who saw him on the sixth floor, Harold Brennan, the Carcano rifle he ordered that had his prints on it. Not everything has your Hollywood-movie-film or time-travel for proof (and even then). As for hearing, one of the men at the fifth floor windows said they could hear shells dropping above and the bolt being recycled.

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Oswald's prints on the cartons and boxes, coworkers who saw him on the sixth floor, Harold Brennan, the Carcano rifle he ordered that had his prints on it. Not everything has your Hollywood-movie-film or time-travel for proof (and even then). As for hearing, one of the men at the fifth floor windows said they could hear shells dropping above and the bolt being recycled.

What part of "And please spare us your selfserving bogus gif because it's BS also" did you not understand?

Your pathetic gif has Oswald hanging out of the window in a way that never happened and it shows Jarman and Norman at a location they never were. That's why it's bogus. For anybody not sticking his head out the window, the entire sidewalk next to the building is not visible.

Oswald's prints on the cartons and boxes,

Wow... he worked there and his job had him opening and moving boxes

coworkers who saw him on the sixth floor,

Not after 12:00. Bonnie Ray Williams was on the 6th floor until approx 12:20 and he saw nobody

Harold Brennan

Is an utter joke

the Carcano rifle he ordered that had his prints on it.

Wrong again. The FBI checked for prints within 24 hours of the shooting and found no prints. And the evidence that he ordered "the Carcano rifle" is questionable at best and relies entirely on the opinion of an FBI expert about the handwriting on the order form

Not everything has your Hollywood-movie-film or time-travel for proof (and even then).

And hardly any real life crime has as little physical and conclusive evidence as this one

As for hearing, one of the men at the fifth floor windows said they could hear shells dropping above and the bolt being recycled.

Which proves exactly nothing about what anybody in the S/N could have heard about what was going on on the floor below.
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2022, 09:15:23 PM »
From page 22 of Hosty's  Assignment: Oswald.

Captain Fritz:  You were working in the book depository today. Is that right?

Lee Oswald:....Yes...

Captain Fritz;  Were you there when the president's motorcade went by?

Lee Oswald:.... Yes...

Captain Fritz:...Where were you when the president went by the book depository?

Lee Oswald:... I was eating my lunch in the 1st floor lunchroom.   

And, as we have known since 2019, Mr Hosty is lying in his book about what Mr Oswald actually said.

We have it in Mr Hosty's own handwriting:



Mr Oswald did not claim to have been eating his lunch in the domino room at the time of the P. Parade. He did, however, claim to have been doing so when he saw Messrs Jarman & Norman passing through shortly before the P. Parade.
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2022, 10:48:55 PM »
And, as we have known since 2019, Mr Hosty is lying in his book about what Mr Oswald actually said.

We have it in Mr Hosty's own handwriting:



Mr Oswald did not claim to have been eating his lunch in the domino room at the time of the P. Parade. He did, however, claim to have been doing so when he saw Messrs Jarman & Norman passing through shortly before the P. Parade.

Mr Oswald did not claim to have been eating his lunch in the domino room at the time of the P. Parade.

Lee Oswald most certainly DID tell Captain Fritz that he was eating his lunch in the 1st floor lunchroom (Domino Room)  at the time of the P. parade.    That is what Fritz jotted down in his scribbled notes which he wrote while interrogating Lee.  ( He lied and said he never took any notes during the interrogation. )

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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2022, 11:39:23 PM »
From page 22 of Hosty's  Assignment: Oswald.

Captain Fritz:  You were working in the book depository today. Is that right?

Lee Oswald:....Yes...

Captain Fritz;  Were you there when the president's motorcade went by?

Lee Oswald:.... Yes...

Captain Fritz:...Where were you when the president went by the book depository?

Lee Oswald:... I was eating my lunch in the 1st floor lunchroom.   

From Cap't Fritz's notes ( which he swore he never took) ....

The following is not verbatim.....

(Oswald ) Says...  Two fellow colored employees walked by the lunchroom while he was eating lunch. One called Junior and other man short stature .....Says he didn't know their names.  Check with Mr Truly to see if he knows the two men. 

The two men were Junior Jarman and Harold Norman and they swore that they in fact did walk by the 1st floor lunchroom at about 12:27....

Lee's statement of seeing those two walk by the lunchroom is a rock solid alibi..... But Lee wasn't using it as an alibi when he replied to Fritz's question ..... He was simply stating what he saw while he was there in that lunchroom. He had no idea that Fritz would question Jarman and Norman, or if they would verify that they had in fact walked by the lunchroom.

Is there a full moon or something?  How do you get a "rock solid alibi" by putting yourself in the location from which the crime was committed (i.e. TSBD)?  And a suspect doesn't get an alibi from claiming to see others.  They get an alibi when some neutral witness can put the suspect at a different location at the time the crime was committed.  Oswald claiming to see someone in the lunchroom who didn't see him doesn't do that.  Obviously, Oswald knows his coworkers, who they hung out with, and what they look like from weeks of working in the building.  It wouldn't take Nostradamus to come up with that tale.  He has no alibi. 

No person can reasonably believe that LHO, a person with a well-documented history of interest in politics, who checked out and read JFK's book from the library, wouldn't so much as go outside to watch the motorcade go by his workplace if he was innocent.  If he was part of some conspiracy that involved framing him for the crime, the conspirators wouldn't risk allowing him to be in the lunchroom where he might be seen by someone at the time of the crime. 

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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2022, 11:46:09 PM »
And, as we have known since 2019, Mr Hosty is lying in his book about what Mr Oswald actually said.

We have it in Mr Hosty's own handwriting:



Mr Oswald did not claim to have been eating his lunch in the domino room at the time of the P. Parade. He did, however, claim to have been doing so when he saw Messrs Jarman & Norman passing through shortly before the P. Parade.

Where does Oswald obtain his lunch that day?  He tells Frazier, in direct response to his question, that he didn't bring his lunch that morning.  There is no place in the TSBD to buy a lunch.  Oswald makes no mention of leaving the building to buy his lunch.  No one sees him do so.  And with the motorcade due in the area, he would have to do so in the midst of crowd (including his coworkers) and police outside. 

 

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