A Rock Solid Alibi.....


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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #296 on: August 16, 2022, 06:16:49 PM »
Once again, “Richard” gets caught out in a lie and then whines about it instead of being honest.


The progress of the motorcade was being reported in real time over the broadcast and police radios.

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #297 on: August 16, 2022, 07:14:23 PM »
Jerry made the baseless claim that no one could possibly have known that the motorcade was running behind schedule.  Of course, most such events do run a few minutes late. 
  BS: False and untrue followed by incorrect and distorted.
Martin Weidmann provided that specific witness statement and Mr Smith wants to take credit for his move.
Here is what I actually stated based on logic---

Also...how would a snipers' nest shooter [who had no such information about the delay] know when to occupy their position?
The newspapers having also published the agenda...the motorcade should then have been through Dealey Plaza at perhaps between 11:50-12:10ish---allowing 5-10 minutes to arrive at the Trade Mart parking lot and JFK to have time to arrive at the podium.
Only a team with radio communication would be able to relay the actual accurate progress of the motorcade.

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« Reply #298 on: August 16, 2022, 07:48:37 PM »
No idea not having searched them for this information.  Have you?  Jerry made the baseless claim that no one could possibly have known that the motorcade was running behind schedule.  Of course, most such events do run a few minutes late.  I simply cited the fact that a witness in Dealey Plaza (one often cited by CTers) also indicated that the progress of the motorcade could be heard over the police radios.  Jerry was apparently unaware of this fact since he went into hysterics suggesting that I had made this up.  I then provided the specific witness statement that I had made reference (and which Jerry apparently was unaware of).

No idea not having searched them for this information.  Have you?

Says the lazy contrarian. No I haven't searched for it because Jerry asked the information from you. It seems however that as per usual you don't (can't or want to) back up your claims with actual evidence.

I then provided the specific witness statement

Yes, you did but without providing the proof that what the witness said was actually true. How very gullible of you!

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Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #299 on: August 16, 2022, 07:50:31 PM »
We are playing whack a mole again.   The original claim was that it was not possible to know the location/timing of the motorcade as it made its way to Dealey Plaza.  Then it was deemed a lie to suggest that there was reporting of the progress of the motorcade (as you might expect so that those responsible for security had a head's up as it approached their location). The witness testimony indicates that the motorcade was being reported over the police radio and reports of its progress could be heard in Dealey Plaza as it approached.  And, of course, the motorcade was the top news story that day in Dallas and was widely covered on broadcast TV and radio.  In addition, the crowd and motorcade noise were audible as the motorcade progressed through the city.  You could hear it approaching.   There was nothing impossible about anticipating the arrival of the motorcade in Dealey Plaza or knowing that it would be a few minutes behind schedule (as most such events are).  And even if this baseless claim had any validity (i.e. there would be no way for Oswald to know the exact time the motorcade would pass the building) that does nothing to preclude him from still being the assassin.  Instead down the rabbit hole we go.


And, of course, the motorcade was the top news story that day in Dallas and was widely covered on broadcast TV and radio.

Sure, it was.... there just wasn't any live minute by minute coverage.

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« Reply #300 on: August 16, 2022, 07:53:49 PM »
  BS: False and untrue followed by incorrect and distorted.
Martin Weidmann provided that specific witness statement and Mr Smith wants to take credit for his move.
Here is what I actually stated based on logic---

LOL.  You falsely and baselessly claimed:  "Only a team with radio communication would be able to relay the actual accurate progress of the motorcade."  When I noted that a witness in Dealey Plaza indicated that he could hear the progress of the motorcade repeated over the police radios, you went into hysterics claiming that was a lie and asking me to prove it.  I then posted the witness testimony that makes that claim.  I'm not even sure what you are babbling about here.  You have noted nothing to call into question that the police were not accurately reporting the progress of the motorcade.  And, of course, you ignore that events such as these are often running behind schedule.  It wouldn't take Nostradamus to figure that out.  And even if Oswald had no clue where the motorcade was, he had eyes and ears.  The motorcade wouldn't roar past Dealey Plaza before he aware of its approach.  This is a ridiculous trip down the rabbit hole.

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #301 on: August 16, 2022, 08:00:15 PM »

And, of course, the motorcade was the top news story that day in Dallas and was widely covered on broadcast TV and radio.

Sure, it was.... there just wasn't any live minute by minute coverage.

More rabbit hole nonsense.  Why would it have to be minute to minute?  The arrival and motorcade departure time from Love Field was covered.  Most of the delay occurred with JFK pausing to shake hands with the crowd.  That would have been known via local broadcasts.  The route and approximate timeframe were published.  The police radios in DP were announcing the progress of the motorcade.  It would be expected to be a few minutes later than anticipated.  Oswald had eyes and ears.  Another witness indicated that he could hear the progress of the motorcade through Dallas.  You could hear the roar of the crowd and noise as the motorcade approached.  And EVEN if Oswald had no idea when the motorcade would be there, nothing about that precludes him from being the assassin.
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« Reply #302 on: August 16, 2022, 09:02:14 PM »
More rabbit hole nonsense.  Why would it have to be minute to minute?  The arrival and motorcade departure time from Love Field was covered.  Most of the delay occurred with JFK pausing to shake hands with the crowd.  That would have been known via local broadcasts.  The route and approximate timeframe were published.  The police radios in DP were announcing the progress of the motorcade.  It would be expected to be a few minutes later than anticipated.  Oswald had eyes and ears.  Another witness indicated that he could hear the progress of the motorcade through Dallas.  You could hear the roar of the crowd and noise as the motorcade approached.  And EVEN if Oswald had no idea when the motorcade would be there, nothing about that precludes him from being the assassin.
The ramblings of a certified manic neurotic ::)

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #303 on: August 16, 2022, 09:27:31 PM »
More rabbit hole nonsense.  Why would it have to be minute to minute?  The arrival and motorcade departure time from Love Field was covered.  Most of the delay occurred with JFK pausing to shake hands with the crowd.  That would have been known via local broadcasts.  The route and approximate timeframe were published.  The police radios in DP were announcing the progress of the motorcade.  It would be expected to be a few minutes later than anticipated.  Oswald had eyes and ears.  Another witness indicated that he could hear the progress of the motorcade through Dallas.  You could hear the roar of the crowd and noise as the motorcade approached.  And EVEN if Oswald had no idea when the motorcade would be there, nothing about that precludes him from being the assassin.

More rabbit hole nonsense.  Why would it have to be minute to minute?

Have it your way; there was absolutely no live coverage on radio or television of the motorcade. None.

Most of the delay occurred with JFK pausing to shake hands with the crowd.  That would have been known via local broadcasts.

Except for the fact there were no such live broadcasts.

The police radios in DP were announcing the progress of the motorcade.  It would be expected to be a few minutes later than anticipated.  Oswald had eyes and ears.

Yes he did and he must have had super powers as well, if he could hear a radio broadcast on a police motorbike passing by for 6 floors up at the TSBD. 

And EVEN if Oswald had no idea when the motorcade would be there, nothing about that precludes him from being the assassin.

It also doesn't place him on the 6th floor.... Bonnie Ray Williams was up there until about 12:20 / 12:25 and he saw or heard nobody.
The motorcade was due to arrive at the Trade Mart at 12:30 and was delayed by some 15 minutes. Yet, somehow, Oswald, who could not know of the delay, manages to get to the 6th floor, without being seen, some 10 minutes after the motorcade had been scheduled to pass by and still gets there on time to actually see it pass by. Boy, he really did have super powers, didn't he?   :D

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