A Rock Solid Alibi.....

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #210 on: August 06, 2022, 12:25:54 AM »
That’s not true. Brennan gave a reasonably close description at the scene. And singled out LHO at the lineup later that evening as looking like the gunman. (And that’s what I said that you disagreed with.)

“Reasonably close”? It was the wrong height, wrong weight, wrong age, and wrong clothing to be Oswald. He also had no reasonable way to estimate those things for a person “taking aim” for the last shot, who would necessarily be crouched down behind boxes.
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« Reply #211 on: August 06, 2022, 12:43:08 AM »
You'll notice that the behavior of Brennan - e.g., not immediately identifying the shooter as Oswald - is evidence that calls into question his credibility but the behavior of Oswald that calls into question his credibility or innocence is always dismissed. Always meaning: always.

Question his credibility all you like — just don’t pretend that’s evidence of murder.

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Online Charles Collins

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« Reply #212 on: August 06, 2022, 01:42:15 AM »
“Reasonably close”? It was the wrong height, wrong weight, wrong age, and wrong clothing to be Oswald. He also had no reasonable way to estimate those things for a person “taking aim” for the last shot, who would necessarily be crouched down behind boxes.

It was reasonably close given the circumstances. And he saw him while waiting for the motorcade to arrive from the waist up.

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Online Charles Collins

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« Reply #213 on: August 06, 2022, 01:44:46 AM »
What description did Mr Brennan give at the scene, Mr Collins?

The one that Sawyer broadcast over the DPD radio about 12:44.

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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #214 on: August 06, 2022, 01:59:31 AM »
The one that Sawyer broadcast over the DPD radio about 12:44.

Really? The one where Insp. Sawyer says the witness cannot give a clothing description? The one that leads Insp. Sawyer to mention there is uncertainty as to whether the suspect under description was "there in the first place"? That one?
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« Reply #215 on: August 06, 2022, 02:12:51 AM »
Really? The one where Insp. Sawyer says the witness cannot give a clothing description? The one that leads Insp. Sawyer to mention there is uncertainty as to whether the suspect under description was "in the building in the first place"? That one?

No, the uncertainty part was concerning Charles Givens. They put out a description of Givens because they were trying to locate him.

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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #216 on: August 06, 2022, 02:21:12 AM »
No, the uncertainty part was concerning Charles Givens. They put out a description of Givens because they were trying to locate him.

The witness couldn't give a clothing description for Mr Givens?

And what makes you say Insp. Sawyer's "unknown if he was there in the first place" remark relates to Mr Givens?
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Online Charles Collins

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« Reply #217 on: August 06, 2022, 02:37:46 AM »
The witness couldn't give a clothing description for Mr Givens?

And what makes you say Insp. Sawyer's "unknown if he was there in the first place" remark relates to Mr Givens?

I was mistaken about Givens. That was later.


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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #218 on: August 06, 2022, 02:43:39 AM »
I was mistaken about Givens. That was later.

Thank you, Mr Collins-----it was indeed later, a lot later.

So! Are you saying that Mr Howard Brennan's on-the-scene description of the man he saw firing from the sixth-floor window is the description in relation to which Insp. Sawyer says the witness cannot remember enough to give a clothing description? And that it is "unknown if he was in the building in the first place"?

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« Reply #219 on: August 06, 2022, 03:08:02 AM »
Thank you, Mr Collins-----it was indeed later, a lot later.

So! Are you saying that Mr Howard Brennan's on-the-scene description of the man he saw firing from the sixth-floor window is the descrption in relation to which Insp. Sawyer says the witness cannot remember enough to give a clothing description? And that it is "unknown if he was in the building in the first place"?

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This was during the first 15 to 20 minutes after the shots. They were still trying to figure out what happened.

“From this building it is unknown if he is still there or not. Unknown if
he was there in the first place.”
Mr. BELIN. Then it reads back here, “All the information we have received, indicates it did come from the fifth or fourth of that building.”
That is the central headquarters back to you, is that it?
Mr. SAWYER. That’s right.


Why are you asking about this?

 

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