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Re: One Witness
« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2022, 06:43:45 PM »
Movements of the Wrongly-Accused post assassination time...

*Given Mr. Darnell's video film capture, the wrongly-accused remained outside with his TSBD fellow employees for at the very least 4 minutes. Mr. Shelley's testimony placing both Baker and Roy Truly outside rings true, as Mr. Darnell's film also attests (there's Baker running past Roy Truly, while the wrongly-accused is still present on the upper front-entrance steps observing female employees climbing the stairs to reenter the building.


*Upon reentering the building himself, at some point after that 4 minute interval outside upon the entrance steps he took up a position over by the small storage room on the first floor (multiple witnesses saw him there upon reentering the building with Mr. Campbell (Ochus).

Over the next 3-4 minutes he engages two different news reporters, assisting them at different time intervals to where they may find a phone to call in the latest developments amid a chaotic scene unfolding in Dealey Plaza.

More to follow next week, but just wanted to share one more major gaffe one of the lying rooftop tandem members reveals while simultaneously negating their fairytale rooftop experience up on that otherwise locked roof from the inside...

Inspector Sawyer (Truth) versus Baker (desperately trying to keep his lies straight)

BELIN. To go up and look around and come down?
Mr. SAWYER. To look around on the floor. How long it took to go up, it
couldn’t have been over 3 minutes at the most from the time We left, got
up and back down.

Mr. BELIN. Then that would put it around no sooner than 12:37, if you heard
the call at 12 :34?
Mr. SAWYER. Yes, sir


Bring your attention to the difference between 12:34PM and 12:37PM (three minutes) According to the hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure, the lying rooftop tandem  should have exited their phantom encounter w/the wrongly-accused 90 seconds ago while continuing their dash up the backstairs, but upon taking Inspector Sawyer's mere three minute differential in mind, here's Baker negating his and Roy truly's dash up to that otherwise locked rooftop ---->

Mr. BAKER - The next thing that I noticed was Inspector Sawyer, he was on one of those floors there, he is a police inspector.
Mr. DULLES - City of Dallas Police?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir. And he was on, I really didn't notice which floor he was on, but that is the first thing I saw.


Poor Baker simply telling the truth about an actual event but forgetting the outright lie about being elsewhere when it actually happened (up on the roof at this time interval with Roy Truly) Liars lie...but Baker cannot be up on the roof for 10 minutes (his words not mine, yet encounter Inspector Sawyer, who was only in the building long after the lying rooftop tandem were clinging to their hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure, and gone before they begin their fairytale descent from the roof amid another scripted lie.

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The wrongly-accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.







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« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2022, 06:55:19 PM »
Back next week the Good Lord willing. Best wishes to all to remain well, safe, healthy and free of any lingering COVID-19 variants.

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« Reply #52 on: June 28, 2022, 06:37:24 PM »
Reconstructing a more accurate timeline of the wrongly-accused's actual departure from Dealey Plaza places the time after 1:02PM CST ---->

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2888.0.html

The fire truck seen in Reply No. 2 within the above link provided by Mr. Reeves (thank you sir) provides an image to go along with the following dispatch time ---->

given the statement of Dallas fire-fighter, Leslie Warnock, Jr. (working out of the Number 3 Fire Station), their red fire-truck engine wasn't dispatched to Dealey Plaza until 1:02PM CST (Mr. Warnock's words, not mine). In that same image we also have the wrongly-accused standing there with his supervisor Mr. Shelley in his dark suit attire worn that afternoon. The wrongly-accused was nowhere near 10th & Patton as he is clearly standing there donning the same clothing he would be later apprehended in at the Texas Theatre.

Lest anyone thinks otherwise, two key witnesses for the WC confirm the colour of the wrongly-accused's shirt and gray pants worn that afternoon. Moreover, further collaborating the observations of those two key witnesses the whole world is privy to the same clothing amid his midnight presser.

Contrary to the hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure...

"Half the Truth is often a great Lie" -- Benjamin Franklin

the wrongly-accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody. Amazing what some lying treasonous cowards will do and say for thirty pieces of silver.

"Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder" -- George Washington

Back next week, the Good Lord willing to introduce yet another key interval demonstrating the wrongly-accused remained in Dealey Plaza looooong after officialdom's hastily contrived script to frame him. Best wishes to all to remain well, safe, healthy, and free of any lingering COVID-19 variants.

Mr. BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.


Planting "evidence"... ?







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« Reply #53 on: July 14, 2022, 05:20:12 PM »
A simple Challenge to the LNs remains unmet six months later. As exemplary JFK researcher Sean Murphy would say, "They have nothing".

They have failed to produce even One Witness who can substantiate the horse manure about Roy Truly & Marrion Baker being together at the backstairs during the immediate aftermath of the assassination. As this simple challenge demonstrates there's a world of difference between substantiated facts and a flimsy, hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure to frame an innocent party.

Rather than making that fictitious 90 second dash up the backstairs to a phantom encounter with the wrongly-accused in the 2nd floor lunchroom, Roy Truly remained downstairs for over 4 minutes to make this exchange ---->


Mr. SHELLEY. Mr. Truly left me guarding the elevator, not to let anybody up and down the elevator or stairway.

The only way Roy Truly could give this verbal order was to be still downstairs long after Mr Shelley & Mr. Lovelady made their way back into the building after their time consuming tour of the Dealey Plaza grounds and subsequently returning inside the building via the rear entrance. In the real world Roy Truly cannot be up on the upper floors with Baker amid a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure and communicating with Mr. Shelley downstairs at the same time on the 1st floor.  Oops!

A phantom encounter with the wrongly-accused on the 2nd floor, a magic bullet and now Roy Truly being in two places all at the same time. The Warren Omission's "evidence" makes even a Disney fairytale blush.

The wrongly-accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.



 
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« Reply #54 on: July 30, 2022, 02:59:09 PM »
Since the WC timeline for Baker/Truly reaching the 2nd floor landing as early as 75 secs precludes a reasonable probability for Oswald having used the staircases to descend from 6th floor, then perhaps just the “lunchroom “ encounter” part of the story should be discarded.

The timeline can remain intact, especially with regard to Mrs Dorothy Garner’ 4th floor sighting of Baker and Truly “coming up”  the staircase just after Garner “heard them” ( Adams/Styles) going down. This establishes Garner having had to exit 4th floor office door approx not later than 40 sec post shots which precludes Oswald or any other 6th floor gunman from having used the staircase to escape.

The question then remains how did a 6th floor shooter at the SE window escape to the ground floor without being seen?

One possibility is the use of one of the 2 rear freight elevators.

It’s quite probable that a 6th floor window SE corner window gunman could run to and enter the East elevator as soon as 25 sec post last shot. He could have reached the 2nd floor as early as 50 sec post shots and exited into the immediate adjacent storage room. He could have have bypassed Baker/Truly unseen just the same way that the supposed Jack Dougherty was able to do.

However, such a scenario would require an accomplice operating the East elevator to return that elevator to the 5th floor by 70 secs post shots.

This would place Jack Dougherty as the primary suspect to be That accomplice or else have to discard Dougherty’s account of him using the West elevator as well as discarding Bakers use of the East elevator when Baker/Trully reach the 5th floor byy staircase.

If the proposal is being made that the 2nd floor lunchroom encounter is false, then it’s not unreasonable to propose that Baker/Truly and Jack Dougherty accounts could be contrived as well. In which case , an escape by 6th floor shooter using the East elevator operated by an accomplice it a possibility not that improbable.







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« Reply #55 on: August 02, 2022, 04:02:17 PM »
Since the WC timeline for Baker/Truly reaching the 2nd floor landing as early as 75 secs precludes a reasonable probability for Oswald having used the staircases to descend from 6th floor, then perhaps just the “lunchroom “ encounter” part of the story should be discarded.

****A well-written summation there, Mr. Mason, on all of your key points shared. Always an encouraging read when astute researchers like you amid keen critical-thinking call out the hastily contrived script to frame an innocent party for what it is. The lying rooftop tandem simply parroted back that hastily contrived script. Amazing what some people will do for 30 pieces of silver.

"Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder" -- George Washington

The timeline can remain intact, especially with regard to Mrs Dorothy Garner’ 4th floor sighting of Baker and Truly “coming up”  the staircase just after Garner “heard them” ( Adams/Styles) going down. This establishes Garner having had to exit 4th floor office door approx not later than 40 sec post shots which precludes Oswald or any other 6th floor gunman from having used the staircase to escape.

****Did Mrs. Garner specifically say precisely when she saw Roy Truly? If memory serves me correctly Mrs. Garner merely intimated she saw Roy Truly that afternoon more than a few times. I wouldn't doubt if she saw him on his way up to the sniper's nest ---->

Mr. BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.

The question then remains how did a 6th floor shooter at the SE window escape to the ground floor without being seen?

****A valid question, Mr. Mason, an excellent point to consider. However, how do we know for sure that Mr. Dougherty didn't fire those shots to embellish the hastily contrived script about the shots responsible for the wounds of POTUS and Governor Connally came from that staged sniper's next?; and, afterwards simply used the elevator down to the first-floor, where he simply blends into the chaotic surroundings as if he's just as shocked as anyone else about what just happened?

It’s quite probable that a 6th floor window SE corner window gunman could run to and enter the East elevator as soon as 25 sec post last shot. He could have reached the 2nd floor as early as 50 sec post shots and exited into the immediate adjacent storage room. He could have have bypassed Baker/Truly unseen just the same way that the supposed Jack Dougherty was able to do.

****Another interesting point to ponder, Mr. Mason, though I believe Marrion Baker--did in fact encounter Mr. Dougherty on either the 4th or 5th floor. Of course, with a hastily contrived script hanging over his head he had little choice but to play along with a phantom encounter with the wrongly-accused instead. 

If the proposal is being made that the 2nd floor lunchroom encounter is false, then it’s not unreasonable to propose that Baker/Truly and Jack Dougherty accounts could be contrived as well.

****Well-said, Mr. Mason @ officialdom's hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure. They chose to take some truthful elements and mesh that with phantom activities amid wrong sequences of events as they unfolded...

"Half a truth is often a great lie" -- Ben Franklin

The wrongly-accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody. Those truly responsible for the demise of a duly elected representative of the people are a bunch of chicken-sm*t treasonous cowards.


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« Reply #56 on: August 02, 2022, 09:42:22 PM »
iF there is a longer interlude  between Mrs Garner having heard Adams and Styles (A/S) on the stairs ( and Baker/Truly coming up the stairs  then a 6th floor gunman could have taken the West elevator down starting as early as 35 sec post shots and arrive to the ground floor by 70secs about 10 secs behind A/S reaching ground floor via stairs approx 60 sec post shots.

This is enough time for A/S to have exited out of TSBD by the east door of annex bldg loading dock( and running into the 2plainscolthes men), before the gunman exits from the west elevator and enters annex bldg going WEST to exit a west side door of TSBD approx 90 sec post shots. This west side of TSBD was probably  not yet guarded and was not in LOS of the 2 plaimsclothes officers who A/S saw.

If the gunman had a type rifle that quickly folds in half then he could hide the rifle fake under a jacket when exiting the west side of TSBD and has a reasonably probability going unnoticed after that , probably getting in a nearby car which drove away via other parking lot route by 2min post shots.

Of course this hypothetical scenario spends on Dougherty’s story being contrived by the WC purposely leading Dougherty to make a very confused testimony and also Baker/Truly time line to the rear elevators contrived along with a fabricated 2nd floor lunchroom encounter.

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iF there is a longer interlude  between Mrs Garner having heard Adams and Styles (A/S) on the stairs ( and Baker/Truly coming up the stairs  then a 6th floor gunman could have taken the West elevator down starting as early as 35 sec post shots and arrive to the ground floor by 70secs about 10 secs behind A/S reaching ground floor via stairs approx 60 sec post shots.

This is enough time for A/S to have exited out of TSBD by the east door of annex bldg loading dock( and running into the 2plainscolthes men), before the gunman exits from the west elevator and enters annex bldg going WEST to exit a west side door of TSBD approx 90 sec post shots. This west side of TSBD was probably  not yet guarded and was not in LOS of the 2 plaimsclothes officers who A/S saw.

If the gunman had a type rifle that quickly folds in half then he could hide the rifle fake under a jacket when exiting the west side of TSBD and has a reasonably probability going unnoticed after that , probably getting in a nearby car which drove away via other parking lot route by 2min post shots.

Of course this hypothetical scenario spends on Dougherty’s story being contrived by the WC purposely leading Dougherty to make a very confused testimony and also Baker/Truly time line to the rear elevators contrived along with a fabricated 2nd floor lunchroom encounter.

An interesting scenario, Mr. Mason, however one has to take into consideration two things: (A) IF the gunman took an elevator down to the 1st floor, Wouldn't that have given the lying rooftop tandem (Roy Truly & Marrion Baker) access to an elevator? If so, Why did the hastily contrived script suggest that no elevator was present for their ascent upwards? and (B) Ms. Adams was very clear in her testimony that she and Ms. Styles (Sandra) did Not hear any footsteps on the stairway nor the rumbling descent of an elevator in their wake.

You have a keen sense of perception and discernment alike, Mr. Mason, and if given genuine facts in this case you would be able to construct a more realistic timeline of events for sure. The gunman in question is either Mr. Dougherty or the fleeing male described by eyewitness James Worrell (read his testimony when time permits). Coincidence or not, The man he saw fleeing from the back of the TSBD within 3 minutes of shots fired fits Baker's physical description of the man he actually encounters on the 5h floor. Either way I believe the sixth floor shooter was simply creating a staging area to lend credence to the notion that all shots were fired from the TSBD. Nothing could be further from the truth. President Kennedy sustained at least two front entrance wounds.

Eight months later, and the LNs still cannot provide a single credible eyewitness, just One Witness who can substantiate the lie about Roy Truly and Marrion Baker appearing together at the base of the backstairs. There's a reason for that. An outright lie amid a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure cannot be substantiated. Same goes for the phantom encounter w/the wrongly-accused in the 2nd floor lunchroom and their bogus exploits up on an otherwise locked rooftop from the inside. The wrongly-accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody. He was standing outside upon the front-entrance stairs as the presidential limousine drove past the TSBD building. Moreover, he was still in Dealey Plaza beyond the dispatch time of 1:06PM of Fire Station 3's Big Red Engine, thus nowhere near the events unfolding across town at 10th & Patton.
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Liars R Us ---->

"Half a truth is often a great lie" -- Ben Franklin

While his sworn testimony suggests he is up on an otherwise locked roof from the inside, Roy "nothing Truly about him" is having a verbal exchange with Bill Shelley seven floors below ---->

Mr. SHELLEY. Yes, sir ; they started coming in pretty fast.
Mr. BALL. Did you go with them any place?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes; Mr. Truly left me guarding the elevator, not to let anybody up and down the elevator or stairway and some plainclothesmen came in.


As if the horse manure about a magic-bullet isn't already enough bogus magic in this case, now Roy Truly gets to magically be in two different places all at once, in this time sequence up on an otherwise locked roof from the inside and seven stories below speaking with Mr. Shelley (please excuse the eyeroll). Mr. Shelley's timeline amid his testimony, not mine.

While his sworn testimony suggests he is up on an otherwise locked roof from the inside, Marrion Baker is otherwise riding in an elevator when he is encountering Inspector Sawyer ---->

Mr. BELIN - As the elevator was moving?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; downward.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
Mr. BAKER - The next thing that I noticed was Inspector Sawyer, he was on one of those floors there, he is a police inspector.


The problem here is that Baker cannot be up on an otherwise locked roof from the inside for 10 minutes, yet encounters Inspector Sawyer who shares the following ---->

BELIN. To go up and look around and come down?
Mr. SAWPER. To look around on the floor. How long it took to go up, it
couldn’t have been over 3 minutes at the most from the time We left, got
up and back down.
Mr. BELIN. Then that would put it around no sooner than 12:37, if you heard
the call at 12 :34?
Mr. SAWYER. Yes, sir


Liars lie...

Roy "nothing truly about him" and Marrion Baker lied their eyes out to frame an innocent party. The wrongly-accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody.

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