Umbrella Man: Suspicious

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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Umbrella Man: Suspicious
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2022, 05:02:38 PM »
Spotters for what?  Anyone in Dealey Plaza could see and hear the motorcade as it approached but the fantasy conspirators need someone conspicuous to stand out in the open and bring attention to himself?  Unreal. Again, I hope no one actually takes this seriously and are just passing the time with a game of make up a good story because this is Bigfoot and ghost hunter territory.
The "hobbyists" are one thing; the "true believers" are a another. It's this latter group - the followers of the disgraceful and deranged Jim Garrison - that can cause problems. The Stone movies, the movie about the Paines. People believe these falsehoods.

It's remarkable that Jim Garrison, the most irresponsible JFK conspiracist of them all, the person who was denounced by the others, e.g., Meagher, Lifton, Lane, Weisberg, as a fraud, has emerged as the leader of this cause. 




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Online Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2022, 05:10:33 PM »
  Again, I hope no one actually takes this seriously and are just passing the time...
No one ever takes you seriously.
You apparently are suspicious of nothing and not even very suspicious of that....
...and just passing gas time.

The "hobbyists" are one thing; the "true believers" are a another. It's this latter group - the followers of the disgraceful and deranged Jim Garrison - that can cause problems. The Stone movies, the movie about the Paines. People believe these falsehoods. It's remarkable that Jim Garrison, the most irresponsible JFK conspiracist of them all, the person who was denounced by the others, e.g., Meagher, Lifton, Lane, Weisberg, as a fraud, has emerged as the leader of this cause.
What are you babbling about? How do we know you're not 'deranged'?

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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2022, 05:14:55 PM »
Again, in his campaign against JFK in 1960, LBJ referred to the "umbrella policy man", i.e., Neville Chamberlain, and how JFK's father supported it. This below is from the Robert Dallek book on JFK.


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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2022, 05:26:38 PM »
Jim Garrison: "JFK was killed in a homosexual thrill kill by Lee Oswald, David Ferrie and Clay Shaw."

If you think that's not evidence of derangement then I think you need to reconsider things.

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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2022, 05:29:58 PM »
When the Berlin Wall was constructed in 1961 and President Kennedy did not send American troops to tear it down, German students, as well as many Americans, sent him umbrellas.[5]

[5] Thomas G. Paterson, Kennedy’s Quest for Victory: American Foreign Policy, 1961–1963 (Oxford University Press, 1989), 42.



http://histsociety.blogspot.com/2013/11/umbrella-man.html
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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2022, 05:34:07 PM »
When the Berlin Wall was constructed in 1961 and President Kennedy did not send American troops to tear it down, German students, as well as many Americans, sent him umbrellas.[5]

[5] Thomas G. Paterson, Kennedy’s Quest for Victory: American Foreign Policy, 1961–1963 (Oxford University Press, 1989), 42.



http://histsociety.blogspot.com/2013/11/umbrella-man.html
Good catch. Just do a simple google/search on "Chamberlain and umbrella" and you'll come up with lots of hits on stories that associated the umbrella with appeasement. It became a symbol for the policy. And the man.

This is not new.


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« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2022, 05:55:49 PM »
Comparison images:





15-years later testifying before the HSCA:






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« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2022, 06:00:23 PM »
Jim Garrison: "JFK was killed in a homosexual thrill kill by Lee Oswald, David Ferrie and Clay Shaw."

If you think that's not evidence of derangement then I think you need to reconsider things.

So you think that All CT's are followers of Garrison?    CT's are individuals, and not a gang of suckers who believe what ever the US Govt tells them.

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« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2022, 06:12:00 PM »
The HSCA testimony of Louie Steven Witt....
https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol4/html/HSCA_Vol4_0217a.htm

Witt stated that he was not aware that anyone was looking for an Umbrella Man for 15 years and then accidentally sees something about it in the papers. OK right  :-\ ... But the chances that someone [the only known one in Dallas] sets out with an umbrella to heckle... and winds up standing right next to the limo just as Kennedy gets his head blown off must be astounding. Then he just "drifts along" for years  with disinterest in the events of the man he had set off to heckle. Believe what you want.

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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2022, 06:13:49 PM »
So you think that All CT's are followers of Garrison?    CT's are individuals, and not a gang of suckers who believe what ever the US Govt tells them.
As I wrote (again): "The "hobbyists" are one thing; the "true believers" are a another. It's this latter group - the followers of the disgraceful and deranged Jim Garrison - that can cause problems. The Stone movies, the movie about the Paines. People believe these falsehoods."

I specifically wrote and was referring to the "followers" of Garrison. Not all conspiracists just those that are followers and believers in Garrison. People like Oliver Stone and Jim DiEugenio.

There is no such thing as "the US govt." There are agencies and departments and divisions and thousands of different people often operating at odds with one another. That anyone thinks "the government" could pull this conspiracy off and then cover it up for decades is thinking things that are simply not possible. If you think these are all "cogs" or "things" and not real people with their own moral agency then, again, you are thinking things that are not possible.

The assassination has been investigated again and again and again. For more than 50 years. By multiple generations of Americans in "the government" and outside of it in the news media. If you think Republicans and Democrats  - who detest one another like religious sects - could get together and cover this up then you really don't know much American politics. It cannot be done. It wasn't done. And if you think the Washington Post and NY Times and CBS and NBC and PBS and others have also covered it up then....well, you're sounding a lot like Jim Garrison.




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