The Position of the Bolt on the MC

[Zeon Mason]

Follow up ? About the cross member slats; are there any 1x4 crossmember slats on the BOTTOM of the east west running 2x4 frame that would raise the pallet about 1/4th inch up from the floor plane?

If yes then it’s possible to see north to south under the pallet and not be restrained to only a possible 45 degree diagonal LOS form the SE corner towards the NW corner of the pallet.

If no bottom slats then the east west running 2x4s are resting flush to the ground plane and there is no gap to see thru from the North side of the pallet looking south. The LOS available would be restricted to the 45 degre diagonal

If it’s 45 angle case, there is NO LOS possible from SE corner of the pallet thru to the NW corner of the pallet.That  line would be obstructed by the 2 box stack that  green and orange arrows  passing by to the right side which I mistakenly thought were intersecting a box but which Dan says is just some paper hanging over to the left of that 2 box high stack.

[Walt Cakebread]

Follow up ? About the cross member slats; are there any 1x4 crossmember slats on the BOTTOM of the east west running 2x4 frame that would raise the pallet about 1/4th inch up from the floor plane?

If yes then it’s possible to see north to south under the pallet and not be restrained to only a possible 45 degree diagonal LOS form the SE corner towards the NW corner of the pallet.

If no bottom slats then the east west running 2x4s are resting flush to the ground plane and there is no gap to see thru from the North side of the pallet looking south. The LOS available would be restricted to the 45 degre diagonal

If it’s 45 angle case, there is NO LOS possible from SE corner of the pallet thru to the NW corner of the pallet.That  line would be obstructed by the 2 box stack that  green and orange arrows  passing by to the right side which I mistakenly thought were intersecting a box but which Dan says is just some paper hanging over to the left of that 2 box high stack.

are there any 1x4 crossmember slats on the BOTTOM of the east west running 2x4 frame that would raise the pallet about 1/4th inch up from the floor plane?

If yes then it’s possible to see north to south under the pallet and not be restrained to only a possible 45 degree diagonal LOS form the SE corner towards the NW corner of the pallet.

No, that theory is not feasible.... If the pallet was 1/4 inch off the floor it wouldn't make any difference, because nobody could see across the pallet if there were only 1/4 inch gap. Try setting a box on the floor with something ( a couple of Readers Digests on opposite sides of the box. )  holding it 1/4 inch off the floor now try to see something on the floor on the other side of the box.

[Walt Cakebread]

No it doesn't Walt.
It shows that it was perfectly possible to see the barrel of the rifle while looking through the pallet.

Would you please draw a line that you believe would have been Weitzman's line of sight ......From Weitzman's eyes to the place where the gun barrel would have been.....

[Zeon Mason]

YES Walt! that’s what you and I have been asking Dan to demonstrate and so far his additional green arrows have only demonstrated a possible LOS for Weitzman STANDING at a spot that is at the South WEST corner of the pallet were there is a gap that exists between the that stacked box pallet and another pallet stacked high w/boxes nearly adjacent.

Weitzman LOS would be basically looking thru that gap  from a height of at  3ft from the floor plane to be able to see  OVER the  top of a couple of boxes and down at an angle to see the 5” approx portion of barrel on the floor.

This why I came to the conclusion before that other Weitzman forgot explain that he changed his position from looking UNDER a flat from East side to West side, to a position at rge Southwest corner of the pallet where he must be standing  and looking directly NORTH thru the only available gap between both pallets stacked high with boxes.

[Zeon Mason]

… OR if the explanation is  NOT due to Weitzman failure to remember he changed his position, and he is absoltuteky certain that when Boone saw the rifle , Weitzman AT THAT INSTANT was   “lookimg UNDER a flat”

THEN there is choice left but to conclude must have been inside the pallet for Weitzman to see it.

However, then how could Boone have seen it, since the east west rilunningb 2x4 on that North edge of the pallet would block Boones LOS.

There must have been small portion of the butt of the rifle that was flush with he WEST side of the pallet that would enable  Boone to have a LOS

I propose “”flush with” the  west side because of the logic that pre planting the rifle , the conspirator would not want it to be inadvertently  discovered in the interim of time (possibly several hours) between rifle planted  and shooter in place firing shots.from his profession an rifle that he escaped with after the fact.

[Walt Cakebread]

… OR if the explanation is  NOT due to Weitzman failure to remember he changed his position, and he is absoltuteky certain that when Boone saw the rifle , Weitzman AT THAT INSTANT was   “lookimg UNDER a flat”

THEN there is choice left but to conclude must have been inside the pallet for Weitzman to see it.

However, then how could Boone have seen it, since the east west rilunningb 2x4 on that North edge of the pallet would block Boones LOS.

There must have been small portion of the butt of the rifle that was flush with he WEST side of the pallet that would enable  Boone to have a LOS



I propose “”flush with” the  west side because of the logic that pre planting the rifle , the conspirator would not want it to be inadvertently  discovered in the interim of time (possibly several hours) between rifle planted  and shooter in place firing shots.from his profession an rifle that he escaped with after the fact.

The problem is:.... The photos that we have are NOT all authentic .... Some were taken later to support the tale that Lee Oswald dashed by and dumped the rifle as he fled.   The place where the rifle was found was only a foot or so from the site where the fake photo created by the DPD was taken....But they were forced to create those fake photos because there was no possible way that Lee Oswald could have hid the rifle beneath those boxes of books and made it to the lunchroom where he was encountered by Baker and Truly at about 12:31.40 ....   

Tom Alyea took a video of Lt Day picking up the rifle by the leather strap and he picked it up from the place it had been hidden after they removed some boxes to allow them access to the rifle....

PS The rifle was not under the pallet ..... Weitzman looked through the pallet and saw the rifle on the floor.

I know that Boone said that the fake in situ photo was the original configuration...but his job and probably his life hung in the balance....   The killers were desperate men, and they didn't hesitate to kill JFK so a nobody like Eugene Boone was no obstacle. 

[Walt Cakebread]

… OR if the explanation is  NOT due to Weitzman failure to remember he changed his position, and he is absoltuteky certain that when Boone saw the rifle , Weitzman AT THAT INSTANT was   “lookimg UNDER a flat”

THEN there is choice left but to conclude must have been inside the pallet for Weitzman to see it.

However, then how could Boone have seen it, since the east west rilunningb 2x4 on that North edge of the pallet would block Boones LOS.

There must have been small portion of the butt of the rifle that was flush with he WEST side of the pallet that would enable  Boone to have a LOS

I propose “”flush with” the  west side because of the logic that pre planting the rifle , the conspirator would not want it to be inadvertently  discovered in the interim of time (possibly several hours) between rifle planted  and shooter in place firing shots.from his profession an rifle that he escaped with after the fact.

I propose “”flush with” the  west side because of the logic that pre planting the rifle , the conspirator would not want it to be inadvertently  discovered in the interim of time (possibly several hours) between rifle planted  and shooter in place firing shots.from his profession an rifle that he escaped with after the fact.

 the conspirator would not want it to be inadvertently  discovered in the interim of time (possibly several hours) between rifle planted  and shooter in place firing shots.


Of course your idea is as good as mine, because we don't know when that rifle was hidden beneath the boxes of books....But I'd wager the farm that it was hidden after all of the employees had left for lunch....

[Walt Cakebread]

But, when taken at face value, the evidence regarding who was on the 6th floor just before, during and after the shooting excludes Oswald as the shooter.
So Oswald didn't dash across the 6th floor.
He did not stash the MC away
He did not dash downstairs to his rendezvous with Baker and Truly
In this scenario, the MC is no longer required as the murder weapon, it is nothing more than a prop to frame Oswald.
Who was probably in the Domino Room while all this was going down.

So Oswald didn't dash across the 6th floor.
He did not stash the MC away
He did not dash downstairs to his rendezvous with Baker and Truly
In this scenario, the MC is no longer required as the murder weapon, it is nothing more than a prop to frame Oswald.
Who was probably in the Domino Room while all this was going down.

Yes, You've got it right.... However I don't agree with #2.....He did not stash the MC away

I believe that it's possible that Lee DID hide that carcano BEFORE the shooting.   I believe that Lee thought that he was playing the same role that he had played at Walker's in April.    At Walker's he fired a bullet through the window and then left the rifle beneath a pile of brush where he hoped it would be found  and traced to him, but by the time they had traced the rifle he would have been on his way to Cuba where he would try to learn if all of the nuclear missiles had been removed from the island.  He had calculated that the Dallas papers would print stories about how the Marine turncoat and Commie had attempted to kill General Walker who was very popular in Dallas.

That's basically the same role he was playing on 11/22/63 .....  There would be a couple of spent shells left beneath the window ( mute proof that shots had been fired from that site.) and the carcano would be found hidden along the logical escape route. But by the time they traced the rifle to him he would be out of the country and on his way to Cuba.

The hitch in the plot to use the sucker Oswald was created because officer Marrion Baker  responded to the sound of "gunshots" and encountered Lee In the 2nd floor lunchroom less than two minutes after the FIRST shot was fired.   When the investigators ( and framers ) started trying to reconstruct the imaginary movements of Lee Oswald they discovered that he couldn't possibly have hid that rifle as it was found AFTER the shooting. ( it was too far away from the imaginary flight path and the hiding place was  too well constructed)   Thus  they were compelled to create an in situ site for the rifle that made it possible ( if it wasn't scrutinized too closely) for Lee Harrrrrrvey Ossssswald ( BOOOO, HISSSSS) to have dashed by that site and and hastily dumped the rifle before he scrambled down the stairs to the 2nd floor lunchroom.