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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #432 on: September 12, 2022, 03:36:13 PM »
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Jerry posted this image on another thread:



He seems to have misunderstood that Weitzman was on the floor looking through a pallet.
In the graphic the yellow/orange arrows are Jerry's and are part of the original graphic to which I have made some additions.
Ignore the yellow/orange arrows.

The stack of boxes marked with a green "A" in each pic rests on a pallet [it is the same stack seen from different angles]
To the bottom picture I have added a green arrow to give an indication of Weitzman's LoS as he was on the floor looking through the pallet.
It demonstrates that Weitzman could have seen the barrel portion of the rifle from his viewpoint.



The middle photo is purportedly the view from the top of the stairs looking south......The row of boxes ran east /west that would have had the rifle on the south side of those boxes....  The official tale says that Lee Harrrrrrvey Ossssswald ( Boooooo Hissss) dashed to the stairs from the east side, (Left in the photo)  and with his ex-ray vision he spotted the gap in the boxes on the back side of that row of boxes, then with his superman grip he held the nine pound rifle in his left hand , by the butt and jammed it in that gap between the boxes.

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #433 on: September 12, 2022, 03:40:27 PM »
Oh...before you ask, here's photographic evidence both stacks were on pallets.



The red arrows subtly indicate the pallet in question.

The red arrows point to a pallet that was on the west side of the pallet  (B) that Seymour Weitzman shined his flashlight beneath and spotted the rifle on the floor.... 
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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #434 on: September 12, 2022, 03:50:01 PM »
Oh...before you ask, here's photographic evidence both stacks were on pallets.



The red arrows subtly indicate the pallet in question.




This photo beautifully illustrates the impossibility of Weitzman seeing the rifle if it had been sandwiched between the boxes on the left....   Weitzman said that he shined his flashlight beneath the pallet "B" and saw the rifle on the floor.

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #435 on: September 12, 2022, 04:36:36 PM »


The middle photo is purportedly the view from the top of the stairs looking south......The row of boxes ran east /west that would have had the rifle on the south side of those boxes....  The official tale says that Lee Harrrrrrvey Ossssswald ( Boooooo Hissss) dashed to the stairs from the east side, (Left in the photo)  and with his ex-ray vision he spotted the gap in the boxes on the back side of that row of boxes, then with his superman grip he held the nine pound rifle in his left hand , by the butt and jammed it in that gap between the boxes.

But, when taken at face value, the evidence regarding who was on the 6th floor just before, during and after the shooting excludes Oswald as the shooter.
So Oswald didn't dash across the 6th floor.
He did not stash the MC away
He did not dash downstairs to his rendezvous with Baker and Truly
In this scenario, the MC is no longer required as the murder weapon, it is nothing more than a prop to frame Oswald.
Who was probably in the Domino Room while all this was going down.

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #436 on: September 12, 2022, 04:38:29 PM »



This photo beautifully illustrates the impossibility of Weitzman seeing the rifle if it had been sandwiched between the boxes on the left....   Weitzman said that he shined his flashlight beneath the pallet "B" and saw the rifle on the floor.

No it doesn't Walt.
It shows that it was perfectly possible to see the barrel of the rifle while looking through the pallet.

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #437 on: September 12, 2022, 05:13:57 PM »
No it doesn't Walt.
It shows that it was perfectly possible to see the barrel of the rifle while looking through the pallet.



Please explain how Seymour Weitzman could have seen the rifle ( green arrow) when he was east of the pallet in the photo ( above "A" in the photo)  Wouldn't the boxes sitting on the floor to the left (north) of the "B" stack obstructed his view ?

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #438 on: September 12, 2022, 05:42:23 PM »


Please explain how Seymour Weitzman could have seen the rifle ( green arrow) when he was east of the pallet in the photo ( above "A" in the photo)  Wouldn't the boxes sitting on the floor to the left (north) of the "B" stack obstructed his view ?

No

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #439 on: September 12, 2022, 06:43:14 PM »
No

I'm not sure what the three ( sometimes only two ) 2"X4" pieces that the slats of the pallet are nailed to are called.... I'll call them "struts" ....

As is obvious in the photo ( middle photo) the struts are on an east/ west orientation, and the slats run N/ S   So the only direction  Seymour Weitzman could have shined his flashlight was from east to west......And that means he was on the east side (SE )of the place where the official DPD in situ photo shows the rifle jammed between the boxes.  His field of vision to the rifle would have been blocked by the boxes on the flor on the south side of the rifle.

Therefore Weitzman shined his flashlight west ( toward Boone's feet) and he saw the rifle .....