The Position of the Bolt on the MC

[John Iacoletti]

The claim by the Oswald defenders is you can't place him in that window at the time of the shooting. Then the Oswald defenders say all of the evidence was planted or manufactured. So why didn't they manufacture 6-8 witnesses to say they saw him fire the rifle?

Exactly nobody says "all of the evidence was planted or manufactured".  That's just a strawman made up by the WC-evangelists so they can make silly arguments like this one.

They don't like questions like this. Especially the "I'm not a conspiracist" types who should like these questions if they're here to discuss the event.

I don't see how hypothetical questions is "discussing the event".  But the way to frame Oswald is to do what they did.  It worked, didn't it?  At least it convinced people who don't want to look too hard at the evidence.

[Bill Chapman]

And why is Oswald in such a rush? Why make himself so conspicuous?
Why rush across the 6th floor, rush down the stairs, then rush into the second floor lunchroom and buy a Coke?? and then come out strolling, pass Mrs Reid [no longer in a rush], then saunter outside!!
Obviously, LNers have to have him rushing because of the encounter in the second floor lunchroom.
The problem is, it would appear the real assassin wasn't in any rush at any point. According to Howard Brennan [Eyewitness to History]:

"My first instinct was to look back up to that man on the sixth floor... By now the motorcade was beginning to speed up and in only a couple of seconds the President's car had disappeared under the triple underpass. To my amazement the man still stood there in the window! He didn't appear to be rushed. There was no particular emotion visible on his face except for a slight smirk. It was a look of satisfaction, as if he had accomplished what he had set out to do."

In a way, this lack of rushing is corroborated by the testimony of Harold Norman, situated directly below the assassin, he hears the bolt being operated, hears the shells hitting the floor, but does not hear anyone rushing away from the area directly above him. Anyone moving quickly on the wooden floor a couple of feet above Norman's head would easily have been heard.

Once it is realised Oswald was not the assassin, all of this goes away. along with many other troublesome pieces of evidence that rule out LNer narrative of Oswald as the shooter.

'all of this goes away'
_are you smelling toast presently

'A couple of feet'
_ah, the magically shrinking distance between 5th/6th

'would easily have been heard'.
_and the people and vehicles below would have been frozen into a dead silence

'troublesome pieces of evidence'
_Cue sinister music
  Everything under the sun freaks you nerds out

[Charles Collins]

Run along Charles, you are way out of your depth.

"You asked a question..." - "Can you think of a better way?" [of framing Oswald than leaving his weapon at the scene]
"...and I gave you an answer" - "Shoot him in the act" [of committing the crime he is being framed for]

Thank you for taking the time out to share your searing insight into the case. D'oh!!
The bottom line is this - for LNers the rifle is the key. It is the murder weapon, found on the floor from which the shooting took place, and it belongs to Oswald.
Therefore Oswald is the assassin.
This is exactly what planted evidence is supposed to do, misguide and misdirect.
There isn't a better, simpler way to frame Oswald for the shooting.

"Shoot him in the act" 

Four eye-witnesses state the assassin wore a white/off-white shirt - a garment Oswald was not wearing that day and did not own.

Amos Euins states time and time again the assassin had a "bald spot" on his head:
"I seen a bald spot on this man's head, trying to look out the window. He had a bald spot on his head. I was looking at the bald spot."
Oswald had no such bald spot.

According to the LNer narrative, Oswald hid out for over 20 minutes in the SN while BRW had his lunch on the 6th floor. But eight officers testified to seeing the lunch remains at the SN, three actually testified that the lunch remains were on top of the SN. Arnold Rowland saw a man with a scoped rifle on the 6th floor SW corner window 15 minutes before the motorcade arrived, at a time when Oswald was supposed to be hiding out in the SN. Arnold also saw a black male in the SN window at a time when BRW was eating his lunch, the remains of which were found at the SN.

According to the LNer narrative Oswald rushes from the SN, in order to escape the TSBD. But Howard Brennan describes the assassin lingering at the window, admiring his handiwork. Harold Norman, directly below the SN hears the bolt of the rifle being worked, he hears the shells hitting the floor, but doesn't hear anyone rushing away from the scene. Oswald supposedly rushes downstairs then goes into the second floor lunchroom to buy a Coke!
But he isn't rushing down the stairs, because he wasn't on the 6th floor. If he had been rushing down the stairs he would've been seen by the perfectly placed Dorothy Garner.

We know he's not on the 6th floor because he sees James Jarman and Harold Norman on the first floor, making their way to the west elevator after entering the rear door of the TSBD building. This is ten minutes after Rowland has spotted the man with the rifle on the 6th floor.

Brennan describes the man he sees on the 6th floor as being much older than Oswald. He also describes the man as having a "fair complexion".
Ronald Fischer makes a similar observation concerning the man on the 6th floor, but contrasts it with Oswald's "dark" complexion.
"...looking at him from the street in the School Book Depository Building--if I could have been able to---if I could have seen that. I think, if he had been unshaven in the window, it would have made his complexion appear--well---rather dark; but I remember his complexion was light;"
Brennan also describes the shooter as being "neat" - not a word readily associated with Oswald.

According to the LNer narrative, Oswald has the foresight to prepare a place to hide the rifle, wipe the rifle down for prints, but leaves the shells just lying on the floor.

That LNers have zero doubt Oswald took the shots displays a zeal most religious fanatics would be proud of. In this way they are uncannily similar to the Tinfoil Brigade who, in the face of whatever evidence is thrown at them, are unmoved from their "convictions". They are also similar in that they both hide behind the banner of "Truth".

[Walt Cakebread]

A wise man knows when to stop arguing, and let the ignoramus remain an ignoramus.

There was a time when wise men realized that the Earth was not a flat plate.   Their opponents would not accept the proof that was presented because their egos blinded them to the proof being presented.

Nobody will ever convince Mr "Smith" that he's been duped .......

[Jerry Organ]

A wise man knows when to stop arguing, and let the ignoramus remain an ignoramus.

There was a time when wise men realized that the Earth was not a flat plate.   Their opponents would not accept the proof that was presented because their egos blinded them to the proof being presented.

Nobody will ever convince Mr "Smith" that he's been duped .......

We've been through this with you multiple times. The spherical earth was mainstream since the ancient Greeks (who calculated, as best they could, the world's circumference). The Catholic Church has on the top of ceremonial staffs a globe, representing the earth.

    "The myth that people in the Middle Ages thought the Earth is flat appears
     to date from the 17th century as part of the campaign by Protestants
     against Catholic teaching. But it gained currency in the 19th century,
     thanks to inaccurate histories such as John William Draper's History of the
     Conflict Between Religion and Science (1874) and Andrew Dickson White's
     A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896).
     Atheists and agnostics championed the conflict thesis for their own purposes,
     but historical research gradually demonstrated that Draper and White had
     propagated more fantasy than fact in their efforts to prove that science and
     religion are locked in eternal conflict."

It's the dishonest contrarians who promoted the "flat earth" conspiracy theory to undermine authority and reason. The modern equivalent is the JFK Conspiracy Loon or so-called "Skeptic/disinterested observer".

[Walt Cakebread]

We've been through this with you multiple times. The spherical earth was mainstream since the ancient Greeks (who calculated, as best they could, the world's circumference). The Catholic Church has on the top of ceremonial staffs a globe, representing the earth.

    "The myth that people in the Middle Ages thought the Earth is flat appears
     to date from the 17th century as part of the campaign by Protestants
     against Catholic teaching. But it gained currency in the 19th century,
     thanks to inaccurate histories such as John William Draper's History of the
     Conflict Between Religion and Science (1874) and Andrew Dickson White's
     A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896).
     Atheists and agnostics championed the conflict thesis for their own purposes,
     but historical research gradually demonstrated that Draper and White had
     propagated more fantasy than fact in their efforts to prove that science and
     religion are locked in eternal conflict."

It's the dishonest contrarians who promoted the "flat earth" conspiracy theory to undermine authority and reason. The modern equivalent is the JFK Conspiracy Loon or so-called "Skeptic/disinterested observer".

Your rebuttal is irrelevant..... The fact is:  The Earth is a sphere ....   

[Gerry Down]

We've been through this with you multiple times. The spherical earth was mainstream since the ancient Greeks (who calculated, as best they could, the world's circumference). The Catholic Church has on the top of ceremonial staffs a globe, representing the earth.

    "The myth that people in the Middle Ages thought the Earth is flat appears
     to date from the 17th century as part of the campaign by Protestants
     against Catholic teaching. But it gained currency in the 19th century,
     thanks to inaccurate histories such as John William Draper's History of the
     Conflict Between Religion and Science (1874) and Andrew Dickson White's
     A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896).
     Atheists and agnostics championed the conflict thesis for their own purposes,
     but historical research gradually demonstrated that Draper and White had
     propagated more fantasy than fact in their efforts to prove that science and
     religion are locked in eternal conflict."

It's the dishonest contrarians who promoted the "flat earth" conspiracy theory to undermine authority and reason. The modern equivalent is the JFK Conspiracy Loon or so-called "Skeptic/disinterested observer".

Their tactic was similar to Hitler and Goebbels. A lie repeated often enough comes to be believed.

[Walt Cakebread]

Their tactic was similar to Hitler and Goebbels. A lie repeated often enough comes to be believed.

So If Joe Biden tells a lie and that lie is repeated often enough, it will come to be believed and accepted as the truth?