The Position of the Bolt on the MC

[John Iacoletti]

How many people in America with access to a TV, breaking news of such a monumental event, that afternoon would pass that up to go to a movie?

It's not like Oswald was the only one in the theater.

[Walt Cakebread]

It's not like Oswald was the only one in the theater.

How many people in America with access to a TV, breaking news of such a monumental event, that afternoon would pass that up to go to a movie?

It's not like Oswald was the only one in the theater.

At the time that Lee left the TSBD he had no idea that JFK had been shot.....   Yes, he may have heard some folks saying the JFK had been shot, but since he was involved in a ruse that was supposed to appear as if he had shot AT AT  JFK he may have simply assumed that the folks were hysterical and imagining that JFK had been shot.   He apparently left the area at about 12:35..... and at that time everything was in confusion. And he had heard nothing but rumors and speculation until he was brought to the police station.   And even then he wasn't told that JFK had been killed until the reporters at the police station yelled at him and asked if he's shot the president. 

[Walt Cakebread]

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Right, that's what I was referring to. And I don't think it happened that way. But to each their own.

Actually Michael..... I believe it was Hoover's henchman ( His "extra special" agent) who sent Lee to Mexico, to make it appear that Lee was in cahoots with Castro.... And the plan was to attack Cuba, until LBJ heard that there were Russian bombers in the air armed with nuclear weapons  and he called Hoover and told him to drop the plan and just release the idea that Oswald was simply a lone nut.  Both Hoover and LBJ were worried about triggering a nuclear war..... and that's why Hoover released the info that the FBI had a recoding of  Lee Oswald talking to the Russians in Mexico City....  Then he had to pretend that the voice on the recording was not Lee Oswald's  ( He was desperately trying to back away from connecting Lee to the Cubans when James Hosty  revealed that the FBI knew that Oswald had been to MC  and confronted Lee with the information.  When Hoover heard that Hosty had brought up Oswald's trip to MC he was furious.... And he ordered Gordon Shanklin to jerk Hosty out of the interrogation and Shanklin was to order Hosty to keep his mouth shut.


 This is a quick thumbnail sketch because I don't have time to go into more detail  at his time.   

[Dan O'meara]

I've been thinking a lot about the well-hidden gun between the boxes and the spent shells found in the sniper's nest. And it makes absolutely no sense. If Oswald didn't want to get caught, how did he know he had "x" amount of time to make his escape? If his plan was to try to leave the building undetected or blend in with the crowd [e.g., going down and getting a Coke], he had to have known it would take time to supposedly wipe the gun down [but supposedly leave a palm print on the box - oops!]. He had to know it would take time to carefully hide the gun between the boxes. Yet, he leaves three spent shells in the sniper's nest [yet one of the shells was supposedly bent at the lip, making it unworkable in the gun - oops again].

And if he was a crazed assassin trying to make a statement about what he had supposedly done, why all the subterfuge? If he shot at Walker, why all the subterfuge there?

The hiding of the gun and leaving the shells is illogical and makes absolutely no sense.

The hiding of the gun and leaving the shells is illogical and makes absolutely no sense.

What is the point of wiping down the rifle for prints?
If it was always Oswald's intention to flee the scene, he can leave the rifle in the SN covered with prints. His act of fleeing the scene totally incriminates him, it is this act that brings him to the attention of the police within an hour after the assassination. Any attempt to distance himself from the crime by wiping down the rifle is blown out of the water by fleeing the scene.

What is the point of fleeing the scene?
Within seconds of the assassination Oswald is confronted in the second floor lunchroom whilst drinking a Coke. It is as good as an alibi. All he has to do is mingle with his co-workers, he is in no immediate danger. Instead, he incriminates himself by fleeing the scene.
And, as Martin pointed out, why would a fleeing assassin choose to enter the door leading to the lunchroom [dead end/trap] and not the one leading to the corridor which would take him to the front entrance [escape].

Why not just bend down and pick the shells up?
All this care and attention wiping down the rifle and hiding it but leaving the shells lying there is bizarre. Why hide the rifle but leave the shells out in the open? It would take a couple of seconds to pick the shells up and there are a thousand places they could be effectively hidden on the 6th floor. If the thought process behind hiding the rifle is to somehow slow the investigation down, why doesn't this same thought process apply to the shells?

What is the point of hiding the rifle?
Hiding the rifle isn't buying the fleeing assassin any time. If Oswald had decided to mingle with his co-workers in the TSBD instead of fleeing the scene it might make sense. But he chose to run, an unnecessary act which put him immediately in the spotlight of the investigation. The pre-constructed hiding place would appear to show Oswald had thought his escape through but his actions demonstrate that this is clearly not the case.

[Walt Cakebread]

The hiding of the gun and leaving the shells is illogical and makes absolutely no sense.

What is the point of wiping down the rifle for prints?
If it was always Oswald's intention to flee the scene, he can leave the rifle in the SN covered with prints. His act of fleeing the scene totally incriminates him, it is this act that brings him to the attention of the police within an hour after the assassination. Any attempt to distance himself from the crime by wiping down the rifle is blown out of the water by fleeing the scene.

What is the point of fleeing the scene?
Within seconds of the assassination Oswald is confronted in the second floor lunchroom whilst drinking a Coke. It is as good as an alibi. All he has to do is mingle with his co-workers, he is in no immediate danger. Instead, he incriminates himself by fleeing the scene.
And, as Martin pointed out, why would a fleeing assassin choose to enter the door leading to the lunchroom [dead end/trap] and not the one leading to the corridor which would take him to the front entrance [escape].

Why not just bend down and pick the shells up?
All this care and attention wiping down the rifle and hiding it but leaving the shells lying there is bizarre. Why hide the rifle but leave the shells out in the open? It would take a couple of seconds to pick the shells up and there are a thousand places they could be effectively hidden on the 6th floor. If the thought process behind hiding the rifle is to somehow slow the investigation down, why doesn't this same thought process apply to the shells?

What is the point of hiding the rifle?
Hiding the rifle isn't buying the fleeing assassin any time. If Oswald had decided to mingle with his co-workers in the TSBD instead of fleeing the scene it might make sense. But he chose to run, an unnecessary act which put him immediately in the spotlight of the investigation. The pre-constructed hiding place would appear to show Oswald had thought his escape through but his actions demonstrate that this is clearly not the case.

Hi Dan ....Your absence has been noticed.  There will be a note sent home about your failure to attend regularly if it happens again.     

The fact that it appears that the rifle was wiped clean of prints indicates that it was NOT Lee Oswald who hid the rifle....  Since the script in the play in which Lee was playing the lead role called for him to have appeared to have fired at JFK, there would have been no reason for him to wipe the prints off the rifle....

[Dan O'meara]

Hi Dan ....Your absence has been noticed.  There will be a note sent home about your failure to attend regularly if it happens again.     

The fact that it appears that the rifle was wiped clean of prints indicates that it was NOT Lee Oswald who hid the rifle....  Since the script in the play in which Lee was playing the lead role called for him to have appeared to have fired at JFK, there would have been no reason for him to wipe the prints off the rifle....

Hi Dan ....Your absence has been noticed.  There will be a note sent home about your failure to attend regularly if it happens again.     

 
Summer is my busy time.

The WC narrative has Oswald wiping the prints off the rifle (amazingly there are no prints on the shells, not even Fritz's after he picked them up), he walks the entire length of the 6th floor with the rifle before placing it in a pre-constructed hiding place but leaves the shells just lying there!!
What is the thought process behind this? Some parts seem thought through, some don't.
He gets a Coke from the second floor lunchroom and then decides to leave the TSBD!!
Is he in a rush or not?

Any credible evidence regarding who was on the 6th floor just before, during and after the assassination rules Oswald out.
A lot of these niggling little things disappear when it is accepted Oswald is not the shooter.

[Dan O'meara]

Hi Dan ....Your absence has been noticed.  There will be a note sent home about your failure to attend regularly if it happens again.     

 
Summer is my busy time.

The WC narrative has Oswald wiping the prints off the rifle (amazingly there are no prints on the shells, not even Fritz's after he picked them up), he walks the entire length of the 6th floor with the rifle before placing it in a pre-constructed hiding place but leaves the shells just lying there!!
What is the thought process behind this? Some parts seem thought through, some don't.
He gets a Coke from the second floor lunchroom and then decides to leave the TSBD!!
Is he in a rush or not?

Any credible evidence regarding who was on the 6th floor just before, during and after the assassination rules Oswald out.
A lot of these niggling little things disappear when it is accepted Oswald is not the shooter.

And why is Oswald in such a rush? Why make himself so conspicuous?
Why rush across the 6th floor, rush down the stairs, then rush into the second floor lunchroom and buy a Coke?? and then come out strolling, pass Mrs Reid [no longer in a rush], then saunter outside!!
Obviously, LNers have to have him rushing because of the encounter in the second floor lunchroom.
The problem is, it would appear the real assassin wasn't in any rush at any point. According to Howard Brennan [Eyewitness to History]:

"My first instinct was to look back up to that man on the sixth floor... By now the motorcade was beginning to speed up and in only a couple of seconds the President's car had disappeared under the triple underpass. To my amazement the man still stood there in the window! He didn't appear to be rushed. There was no particular emotion visible on his face except for a slight smirk. It was a look of satisfaction, as if he had accomplished what he had set out to do."

In a way, this lack of rushing is corroborated by the testimony of Harold Norman, situated directly below the assassin, he hears the bolt being operated, hears the shells hitting the floor, but does not hear anyone rushing away from the area directly above him. Anyone moving quickly on the wooden floor a couple of feet above Norman's head would easily have been heard.

Once it is realised Oswald was not the assassin, all of this goes away. along with many other troublesome pieces of evidence that rule out LNer narrative of Oswald as the shooter.

[Walt Cakebread]

Hi Dan ....Your absence has been noticed.  There will be a note sent home about your failure to attend regularly if it happens again.     

 
Summer is my busy time.

The WC narrative has Oswald wiping the prints off the rifle (amazingly there are no prints on the shells, not even Fritz's after he picked them up), he walks the entire length of the 6th floor with the rifle before placing it in a pre-constructed hiding place but leaves the shells just lying there!!
What is the thought process behind this? Some parts seem thought through, some don't.
He gets a Coke from the second floor lunchroom and then decides to leave the TSBD!!
Is he in a rush or not?

Any credible evidence regarding who was on the 6th floor just before, during and after the assassination rules Oswald out.
A lot of these niggling little things disappear when it is accepted Oswald is not the shooter.

Summer is my busy time. 

So you're a bikini salesman ?.....

A lot of these niggling little things disappear when it is accepted Oswald is not the shooter.

A whole lot of things fall away when a person sees that the official LBJ approved tale is unbelievable.   

One of the most unbelievable aspects of the tale is the very foundation on which the entire tale rests.

That aspect is the feasibility of anybody firing that cranky old rusty carcano with the scope mounted askew with precision accuracy at a moving target that was obscured by a tree.

Anybody who accepts that nonsense has to have taken leave of their commonsense ......