The Position of the Bolt on the MC

[Walt Cakebread]

Looks like after the rifle was placed on the floor, the box(es) covering the gap slid over it when Oswald either intentionally slid it or inadvertently pushed it when he was straightening up.

You really think folks are so dumb they would believe the gap in the Crime Lab in-situ photos couldn't have been more open when the rifle was placed there?

You really think folks are so dumb they would believe the gap in the Crime Lab in-situ photos couldn't have been more open when the rifle was placed there?

Do you really believe that Lee Oswald had the ability to grip that 9 pound rifle by the butt in a vice like grip, and place it where the DPD in situ photo shows it?    It doesn't make any difference if the boxes were pushed over the rifle after it was placed on the floor or those boxes were there when the rifle was inserted into the opening.....It would still have had to have been held by the butt with the right hand .... Which is impossible, because there isn't a man alive who could grip that smooth surface and hold the rifle in the horizontal position.

P.S. Is the corner of the box that is above the stock of the rifle, sitting on top of the box that is to the right of the rifle? 

[Charles Collins]

The weight you've posted is for a Carcano without a scope....  I believe that CE 139 weighed nearly 9 pounds.

The reason that the weight is important is because the official tale would have us believe that skinny Lee Oswald had a grip like bench vise.    He was able to hold that 9 pound rifle by the butt, with his right hand, while he inserted it between the boxes of books (As seen in the official DPD in situ photo)    He would have had to use his left hand to balance himself as he leaned across the row of boxes.

Try this:.... Try to hold 40 inch long piece of 2X4 lumber  ( approx 2 lbs) , by the end, with one hand and place it beneath a coffee table....       This simple experiment should provide you with verification for my claim that Lee Oswald DID NOT place that 9 pond rifle into the crevice between the boxes of books as it is seen in the official DPD police photo.

According to Robert Frazier’s testimony, the rifle with the scope (and, I believe, strap) weighs 8- pounds. Watch the secret service reenactment and see how the agent casually walked across the sixth floor and sets the wooden rifle prop into the space between the boxes. The only thing that he doesn’t do is push the two boxes over the opening. That could be very quickly done. No problem…

[Walt Cakebread]

According to Robert Frazier’s testimony, the rifle with the scope (and, I believe, strap) weighs 8- pounds. Watch the secret service reenactment and see how the agent casually walked across the sixth floor and sets the wooden rifle prop into the space between the boxes. The only thing that he doesn’t do is push the two boxes over the opening. That could be very quickly done. No problem…

Mr Collins, do you really believe that that light weight piece of dimension 1X4 is an accurate substitute for the 9 pound carcano?

[Charles Collins]

Mr Collins, do you really believe that that light weight piece of dimension 1X4 is an accurate substitute for the 9 pound carcano?

8-pound Carcano, not 9.

No, of course I don’t believe it is an accurate substitute. However, it does serve the purpose well enough to make the point that if the boxes were slid over after the rifle was set down on the floor in a similar manner to the one in the reenactment, then your silly idea of having to hold the rifle by the butt end and inserting it into a covered opening from the west end is simply not relevant. In other words, there is a viable alternative to your theory.

[Jerry Freeman]

Here's the deal.... The rifle found in the Texas School Book Depository Building was 40.2″ long and was the Carcano Fucile Modello 91/38.
This rifle weighs 7.44 lb.
No one has ever replicated the act of carrying ...unnoticed by any others... this amount of hardware in a flimsy paper sack [as described by Mr Frazier] ... the only person that the Warren gang managed to bully into half-halfheartedly fingering Lee.

Perhaps review the above post---the act of carrying an 8.3 pound parcel [unnoticed] into the bldg to begin with.
So go get a grocery sack...put a full gallon of water...=8.3 in it and see how it feels when you pick it up.

[Walt Cakebread]

8-pound Carcano, not 9.

No, of course I don’t believe it is an accurate substitute. However, it does serve the purpose well enough to make the point that if the boxes were slid over after the rifle was set down on the floor in a similar manner to the one in the reenactment, then your silly idea of having to hold the rifle by the butt end and inserting it into a covered opening from the west end is simply not relevant. In other words, there is a viable alternative to your theory.

 it does serve the purpose well enough to make the point that if the boxes were slid over after the rifle was set down on the floor.

So gravity was in aberrance there on the sixth floor?

What do you think the effect of gravity would have had on the box that is shown above the stock of the rifle ?...

If that box of books had been slid across the gap what would have prevented the south edge of the box from falling into the gap?   

[Charles Collins]

it does serve the purpose well enough to make the point that if the boxes were slid over after the rifle was set down on the floor.

So gravity was in aberrance there on the sixth floor?

What do you think the effect of gravity would have had on the box that is shown above the stock of the rifle ?...

If that box of books had been slid across the gap what would have prevented the south edge of the box from falling into the gap?   

If the weight of the contents of the boxes was evenly distributed, then the boxes would be able to be slid and cantilevered so that almost half of the boxes are overhanging before the south edges start to fall. It appears to me that the south edges are barely touching the boxes below the south edges. So, if the south ends of the boxes happen to be heavier than the north ends of the boxes (due to uneven weight distribution), then using both hands (one on each end) to support the boxes while sliding them would be necessary.

[Walt Cakebread]

If the weight of the contents of the boxes was evenly distributed, then the boxes would be able to be slid and cantilevered so that almost half of the boxes are overhanging before the south edges start to fall. It appears to me that the south edges are barely touching the boxes below the south edges. So, if the south ends of the boxes happen to be heavier than the north ends of the boxes (due to uneven weight distribution), then using both hands (one on each end) to support the boxes while sliding them would be necessary.

Question....What is preventing the south edge of the box from sliding into the gap?