The Position of the Bolt on the MC


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Online Charles Collins

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #256 on: August 17, 2022, 10:49:01 AM »
According to Tom Aleya, the cameraman who accompanied the search team , There was a search made “floor by floor” all the way to the roof. They found nothing at first and then they were joined by Will Fritz about 18 minutes later and began a search on the 6th floor exclusively looking for a rifle since Mooney had discovered shells at the SN window.

Now that’s 7 floors plus the roof top also= 8 floors

According to Boones watch the MC rifle was found by himself and Weitzman  at 1:22 pm.

To find the rifle at some time AFTER Fritz joined the search team 18 minutes after they completed the  1-8 floor search and begin a SECOND search of the 6th floor, (and presuming the search team doesn’t even  enter TSBD until approx 4min post shots) then ..

1:22-12:34= 48 minutes

 Fritz not arriving until 18 minutes later to begin 2nd search of just the 6th floor puts the time at 30 minutes to have searched 8 floors = 30/8= only 3.5min/floor (average)

It may even be less than that.

I’m guessing it was another 10 minutes at least after Fritz was on the 6th floor that the rifle was found, which would reduce the average search time per floor to 20/8= 2.5 minutes per flloor in order that a rifle could be found at 1:22pm.

This seems a bit suspect to me that each floor was thoroughly searched in only 2.5 minutes/floor.

Therefore I have to question about the time when the MC rifle was found and if the 1:22pm time stamp is erroneous or false

If so, then the post planting of an MC rifle has some plausibility and might explain the anomalous bolt not locked, misaligned scope and location of the rifle at boxes close to the staircase and lapse of time between a partial photo taken and Tom Aleya allowed to start motion camera recording.


It appears that you must believe that there was only one team searching one floor at a time. Where do you come up with that idea?

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Online Bill Chapman

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #257 on: August 17, 2022, 11:51:24 AM »
You're wrong Bubba....  Read the WR.

You're lying. Otherwise you'd be all-to-eager to help yourself disprove Iacoletti's 'Walt's Fabrications' list


Offline Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #258 on: August 17, 2022, 12:36:05 PM »
You're wrong Bubba....  Read the WR.
There were 2 re-enactments -- 47 sec -- & 48 sec -- with no great rush.
U can ignore the WC 78 sec or whatever re-enactment -- according to their film Oswald was slowly mincing along & stopping to smell flowers.

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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #259 on: August 17, 2022, 02:01:57 PM »
You're lying. Otherwise you'd be all-to-eager to help yourself disprove Iacoletti's 'Walt's Fabrications' list

It's not that hard to find -- even for somebody as ignorant as Chapman.

WCR p. 152:

A test was also conducted to determine the time required to walk from the southeast corner of the sixth floor to the second-floor lunchroom by stairway. Special Agent John Howlett of the Secret Service carried a rifle from the southeast corner of the sixth floor along the east aisle to the northeast corner. He placed the rifle on the floor near the site where Oswald’s rifle was actually found after the shooting. Then Howlett walked down the stairway to the second-floor landing and entered the lunchroom. The first test, run at normal walking pace, required 1 minute, 18 seconds; the second test, at a “fast walk” took 1 minute, 14 seconds. The second test followed immediately after the first. The only interval was the time necessary to ride in the elevator from the second to the sixth floor and walk back to the southeast corner. Howlett was not short winded at the end of either test run.

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #260 on: August 17, 2022, 02:03:59 PM »
There were 2 re-enactments -- 47 sec -- & 48 sec -- with no great rush.

By whom, and where?

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Online Bill Chapman

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #262 on: August 17, 2022, 02:31:07 PM »
It's not that hard to find -- even for somebody as ignorant as Chapman.

WCR p. 152:

A test was also conducted to determine the time required to walk from the southeast corner of the sixth floor to the second-floor lunchroom by stairway. Special Agent John Howlett of the Secret Service carried a rifle from the southeast corner of the sixth floor along the east aisle to the northeast corner. He placed the rifle on the floor near the site where Oswald’s rifle was actually found after the shooting. Then Howlett walked down the stairway to the second-floor landing and entered the lunchroom. The first test, run at normal walking pace, required 1 minute, 18 seconds; the second test, at a “fast walk” took 1 minute, 14 seconds. The second test followed immediately after the first. The only interval was the time necessary to ride in the elevator from the second to the sixth floor and walk back to the southeast corner. Howlett was not short winded at the end of either test run.

In the FBI film, Howlett looked as if he was in no particular hurry. In fact, he might just as well have been walking on his knees.
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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #263 on: August 17, 2022, 03:36:31 PM »
By whom, and where?
The museum have a video where they did it in 48 sec in an almost identical warehouse.
And recently i found that someone else had done some kind of test & took 47 sec.

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