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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #152 on: July 26, 2022, 08:22:42 PM »
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   I doubt that the yokel who hid the rifle "dropped it" on the floor....
I must have missed the evidence that the suspect rifle had been recently fired. Was there not a way that this could be done?
Also...in the video where the guy is firing the Carcano...along about 4:18---the cartridge hangs up.
I hate it when that happens.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #153 on: July 26, 2022, 09:10:15 PM »
and Alyea's camera caught the brass clip in the magazine on film.

That’s very debatable.

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The fact that the clip was still in the rifle raises more questions.   We know that the official tale says that the live round was the last round in the clip and it was in the chamber.... And since that clip drops out of the magazine when the last round is stripped from the clip by the forward stroke of the bolt .....then that clip should have been on the floor in the "Sniper's Nest".

The official tale also says that the clip in this rifle had a tendency to get stuck rather than dropping out.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #154 on: July 26, 2022, 10:25:54 PM »

 Alyea's camera caught the brass clip in the magazine on film.

That’s very debatable.

The official tale also says that the clip in this rifle had a tendency to get stuck rather than dropping out.


It really isn't debatable ...because we have photos of Lt Day carrying the carcano out of the TSBD and the clip is quite visible.....So it must have been in the magazine as Day dusted the rifle for prints.

Perhaps James Hackerott can work with the Alyea film of Day dusting the carcano in looking for prints and then post one of his good photos...



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Online Jim Hawthorn

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #155 on: July 26, 2022, 10:26:40 PM »

If you look at the cutaway animation, it appears that the elevator contacts the cartridge in a location that is closer to the center of the cartridge.

Not so sure. The wavy extremity of the elevator arm rubs up towards the base of the cartridge (rear of centre anyway) - after all, that is but an animation. I could be onto something! There is our last bullet in the clip?


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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #156 on: July 26, 2022, 10:33:56 PM »
Not so sure. The wavy extremity of the elevator arm rubs up towards the base of the cartridge (rear of centre anyway) - after all, that is but an animation. I could be onto something! There is our last bullet in the clip?



This isn't a picture of the clip all the way down and latched, .... or if the clip is down and latched then the clip is only about half full.....


The dent was not necessarily caused by an impact.... LOOK at the cutaway and notice that the bottom of the bottom cartridge is in contact with the elevator..... A spent shell in the bottom position could be easily dented by the elevator. when the clip is pushed down into the magazine




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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #157 on: July 26, 2022, 10:50:12 PM »
It really isn't debatable ...because we have photos of Lt Day carrying the carcano out of the TSBD and the clip is quite visible.....So it must have been in the magazine as Day dusted the rifle for prints.

Unless it just got stuck in there before they carried it out.

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #158 on: July 26, 2022, 10:55:24 PM »

It really isn't debatable ...because we have photos of Lt Day carrying the carcano out of the TSBD and the clip is quite visible.....So it must have been in the magazine as Day dusted the rifle for prints.

Perhaps James Hackerott can work with the Alyea film and post one of his good photos...

Perhaps James Hackerott can work with the Alyea film and post one of his good photos...

Would this be like the "good photo" of the rifle found in the upright position that you still continue to deny?

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Position of the Bolt on the MC
« Reply #159 on: July 27, 2022, 12:18:16 AM »
Unless it just got stuck in there before they carried it out.

Yes that's true....but I don't believe that Day knew enough about the carcano to know that it was a clip fed action....( many bolt action rifle were. are box magazines in which the cartridges are loaded into the magazine and no clip is needed.)

You may have seen his scribbled notes where he refers to the carcano as a LEVER ACTION rifle....The ignoramus didn't know that it was a bolt action rifle.