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Offline Richard Smith

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« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2022, 07:17:57 PM »
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'Some witnesses???....virtually ALL of the witnesses who saw a man behind a sixth floor window  said that the man was wearing a LIGHT  COLORED shirt......  There was not a single witness who reported that the man was wearing a DARK colored reddish brown shirt...And Lee Oswald was in fact wearing a DARK colored reddish brown shirt.'

There you go again, ignoring the weather
Like the blazing sun flooding over Oswald

Dude, get in the mood:
Here Comes the Sun/The Beatles
Sunny Days/Lighthouse

Here, get a clue


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Someone should send the lawyer for that recent shooter in Illinois all these CTer defense tips.  I'm sure some witness to that July 4 event didn't get his shirt color or age exactly correct.  Maybe someone planted his rifle too?  There doesn't have to be any evidence of such to raise doubt.  Just claim it is possible.

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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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« Reply #49 on: July 14, 2022, 07:43:42 PM »
Someone should send the lawyer for that recent shooter in Illinois all these CTer defense tips.  I'm sure some witness to that July 4 event didn't get his shirt color or age exactly correct.  Maybe someone planted his rifle too?  There doesn't have to be any evidence of such to raise doubt.  Just claim it is possible.
He needs to change his last name to Oswald and get some of these guys on the jury. He'll walk.

The late John McAdams once observed the number of conspiracists who "identified with Oswald as kind of a victim.....somebody who was treated badly by the authorities" and how they often refer to him as "Lee" or "Ozzie." "Poor Lee."

It is strange how they have none of this empathy for others, no concern about them being mistreated by the authorities. Garrison is usually given a pass for his abuses. Of Shaw. Of Ferrie. Of even Oswald. Ruth Paine is smeared. Others accused of treason. No compassion for them.

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« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2022, 07:46:57 PM »

Another great example of logic fallacy.  If Oswald was part of the conspiracy, then why not as the shooter on the 6th floor?  LOL.  At the very least, the conspirators would have kept Oswald on the 6th floor under some pretext to avoid the very real risk that he otherwise might have been in the presence of someone in the building at the moment of the assassination.  Providing him with an alibi.  You honestly think the plan was to frame Oswald for the crime but allow him to roam about the building to be seen by anyone?  Good grief.


If Oswald was part of the conspiracy, then why not as the shooter on the 6th floor?

The conspirators knew that they couldn't force Lee to do anything....They knew that he had to believe that it was his idea....and Lee knew that was a very real danger of actually being at that window with a rifle....He knew that he might get shot by a Secret Service agent if he was actually at that window...So he said he would leave the shells and the rifle as evidence that it was he who had taken a potshot at the president.....( just as he had at Walker's) and he would be out of sight  in the first floor lunchroom and toilet and shower facility.     


At the very least, the conspirators would have kept Oswald on the 6th floor under some pretext to avoid the very real risk that he otherwise might have been in the presence of someone in the building at the moment of the assassination. 

They may have tried to get Lee to be on the sixth floor at the time JFK passed by....But Lee wasn't a complete idiot, he didn't want to be completely isolated from the crowd who could see him if they tried to shoot him, as they would have done if he had been on the sixth floor.   


 You honestly think the plan was to frame Oswald for the crime but allow him to roam about the building to be seen by anyone?

Lee thought that it was basically the same ruse that he had tried at Walker's ....He thought that he would be welcomed to Cuba for attempting to shoot JFK, just as he had thought when he fired a bullet through Walker's window.....

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« Reply #51 on: July 14, 2022, 08:09:16 PM »
They could not squash it forever.

Nor quash it. But they could still eat squash. And play squash.

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« Reply #52 on: July 14, 2022, 08:13:52 PM »
He needs to change his last name to Oswald and get some of these guys on the jury. He'll walk.

The late John McAdams once observed the number of conspiracists who "identified with Oswald as kind of a victim.....somebody who was treated badly by the authorities" and how they often refer to him as "Lee" or "Ozzie." "Poor Lee."

It is strange how they have none of this empathy for others, no concern about them being mistreated by the authorities. Garrison is usually given a pass for his abuses. Of Shaw. Of Ferrie. Of even Oswald. Ruth Paine is smeared. Others accused of treason. No compassion for them.

Yes, it would take a psychiatrist to sort it out.  I'm not sure if it has anything to do with Oswald per se or he is just the mechanism to exercise some other psychological motivation.  There are two basic reasons for being a JFK CTer that I often see on display here. 

First, many CTers can't distinguish information from knowledge.  The forest and trees analogy. There are endless amounts of information in the world.  When you conduct a pedantic analysis of any event, you will find some oddities, inconsistencies, or actions for which there is incomplete information to explain.  They are effectively overwhelmed by these details. While certain information is necessary to obtain knowledge, if they are unable to distinguish the relevant from the non-relevant by applying logic and common sense, it becomes a morass.  For CTers, the inability to distinguish all this information from knowledge means that "something" more must have gone on despite the obvious evidence of Oswald's guilt.  What exactly happened they can't or won't articulate because they don't know but where there is smoke there is fire.  Unfortunately for them, as the Billy Joel song goes, that particular fire has been burning since the world has been turning. 

Second, there is a world view held by some individuals that no important human event can be attributed merely to chance.  It is all being directed by some guiding hand. They are all over the place about who is controlling these events with some vague reference to the "government" in most instances depending on whatever paranoid axe they have to grind.  In some strange way this may give them comfort that someone - even a sinister group - is in control of important events and we are not at the mercy of random forces.  It doesn't even seem to really matter to them who.  The objective appears to be dispel any notion that one lone nut like Oswald can influence world events to such a degree. 

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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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« Reply #53 on: July 14, 2022, 08:14:13 PM »
Nor quash it. But they could still eat squash. And play squash.
I need a better editor. I'll go back and change it and nobody will ever know. You know how us CIA disinformation agents operate. We're devious like that.
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« Reply #54 on: July 14, 2022, 08:30:55 PM »
Yes, it would take a psychiatrist to sort it out.  I'm not sure if it has anything to do with Oswald per se or he is just the mechanism to exercise some other psychological motivation.  There are two basic reasons for being a JFK CTer that I often see on display here. 

First, many CTers can't distinguish information from knowledge.  The forest and trees analogy. There are endless amounts of information in the world.  When you conduct a pedantic analysis of any event, you will find some oddities, inconsistencies, or actions for which there is incomplete information to explain.  They are effectively overwhelmed by these details. While certain information is necessary to obtain knowledge, if they are unable to distinguish the relevant from the non-relevant by applying logic and common sense, it becomes a morass.  For CTers, the inability to distinguish all this information from knowledge means that "something" more must have gone on despite the obvious evidence of Oswald's guilt.  What exactly happened they can't or won't articulate because they don't know but where there is smoke there is fire.  Unfortunately for them, as the Billy Joel song goes, that particular fire has been burning since the world has been turning. 

Second, there is a world view held by some individuals that no important human event can be attributed merely to chance.  It is all being directed by some guiding hand. They are all over the place about who is controlling these events with some vague reference to the "government" in most instances depending on whatever paranoid axe they have to grind.  In some strange way this may give them comfort that someone - even a sinister group - is in control of important events and we are not at the mercy of random forces.  It doesn't even seem to really matter to them who.  The objective appears to be dispel any notion that one lone nut like Oswald can influence world events to such a degree.
Your first point is spot on. But they start with the belief in a conspiracy and fit all of this information, all of this material, into their theory. It has to fit, there are no innocent explanations for it. As in: Ruth Paine goes down to Nicaragua on a program of the  Quakers helping the campesinos. She's monitoring their work, accounting for their efforts. But to the conspiracists it has to be part of the assassination: she's really working for "Langley". If it's just a hobby, a passing game, then okay I guess; but these are serious people. Crazy, just crazy. But they think we're crazy <g>.

It's odd that Oswald was "mistreated" by Garrison but he gets a pass. All of the complaints they make about the Warren Commission not recognizing Oswald's "rights" or not allowing him to be defended never apply to what Garrison did to him. And others. In open court.

Garrison accused Oswald of all sorts of crimes. And other things. The "homosexual thrill kill" nonsense. Ferrie was dead but he was accused of the conspiracy to murder JFK. None of this talk about the rights of him are raised.

Why does Garrison get a pass here?

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #55 on: July 14, 2022, 10:41:01 PM »
and how they often refer to him as "Lee"

What should they refer to him as instead? Henry? That’s his name.

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« Reply #55 on: July 14, 2022, 10:41:01 PM »