Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination

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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2022, 07:05:52 PM »
Ruby's involvement lends itself more to the absence of a conspiracy.  The fantasy conspirators would have to recruit someone to kill Oswald in front of numerous police officers and a national TV audience and face the rest of his life in prison. And then trust this screwball to remain silent forever.

Given Ruby's lifelong relationships with members of the mafia, his friendships with Dallas police officers, and his debts, he was perfect for that role.

He was expendable but knew enough about the mafia and Dallas PD corruption to keep his mouth shut in order to protect his family.
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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
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Offline Mike Orr

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2022, 08:08:52 PM »
Jack Ruby had pushed for Earl Warren to take him back to Washington so he could tell the Warren Commission what was on his mind about the JFK Assassination and as everyone knows , Ruby was denied that request . I think that Ruby knew he was probably a dead man if he talked or not . I think Ruby would have died in jail or would have been killed maybe in a way that looked suspicious like several of the people who saw or heard something that might have tied them into a conspiracy .

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2022, 08:27:53 PM »
As if Ruby's "explanation" makes any more sense.

And you're accusing Biden of having cognitive issues!

ROFL.

Remember that humans communicate best in complete thoughts not incoherent fragments.  So start over using that premise (resist the temptation to use emojis or ROFL) and try to articulate a coherent point that can be used as a basis for discussion.  You can do this. 

Let me help get you started on the right track: 

"I [don't get confused - this means you "Otto"] don't find Ruby's "explanation" [explain what is meant by this] to make any sense because [here you fill in your reason].  Instead I believe the plan of my fantasy conspirators was to allow Oswald to speak to the press, recruit someone to murder him and spend the rest of his life in jail, but only after running a meaningless errand and cutting down his opportunity to do so to seconds while leaving his dog in his car." 


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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2022, 08:27:53 PM »

Online Richard Smith

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2022, 10:51:55 PM »
Why would a conversation be needed to point out that believing in Ruby's BS story indicate a cognitive problem?

Your past decade of compliance with any lie put forward by the WC shows I can't be too far off.

Let's have your next Biden moment!

Why are you so hostile?  Now you are taking issue with trying to have a substantive conversation that does not involve personal insults etc.  This is an endless pattern.  Someone tries to have a sensible discussion about the case.  You interject a lot of nonsense and attack the poster to derail the discussion.  Repeat endlessly.   Now you are baiting a political discussion here?  Unreal.  It's unfortunate that folks trying to have a discussion about the JFK assassination have to put up with this including frequent personal attacks and use of profanity. 

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2022, 12:00:23 AM »
Why are you so hostile?  Now you are taking issue with trying to have a substantive conversation that does not involve personal insults etc.  This is an endless pattern.  Someone tries to have a sensible discussion about the case.  You interject a lot of nonsense and attack the poster to derail the discussion.  Repeat endlessly.   Now you are baiting a political discussion here?  Unreal.  It's unfortunate that folks trying to have a discussion about the JFK assassination have to put up with this including frequent personal attacks and use of profanity.

OK, Mr "Smith"..... Let's have a sensible discussion about Lee Oswald telling Captain Fritz that he was in the first floor lunchroom when the president passed by the TSBD.   And he told Fritz that he saw Junior Jarman and Harold Norman walke by the lunchroom as he sat there eating his lunch.   Jarman told the investigators that he and Norman had in fact walked by that 1st floor lunchroom at about 12:26.

Do you not believe that mr "Smith" ?.....

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2022, 12:00:23 AM »

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2022, 03:38:29 AM »
A few other facts we should keep in mind about Jack Ruby and his shooting of Oswald:

* Dallas police sergeant Patrick Dean, who was close to the city's Mob boss, Joe Civello, failed a lie detector test with regard to his reassignment of police guards away from the elevators and a door to a stairway next to the stairs just before Ruby shot Oswald.

* Former Dallas police officer Billy Grammer reported that on the night before Ruby killed Oswald, he received a call from Ruby at police headquarters warning that Oswald would be shot the following evening. Grammer said the caller did not identify himself, but that he was sure the voice was Jack Ruby's. Grammer said he was well acquainted with Ruby. Grammer further reported that Ruby seemed to be aware of all the plans to transfer Oswald on Sunday from police headquarters to the Dallas County Jail, that he knew about the decoy vehicle assignment, and was aware of the approximate time the transfer would occur.

* Two WC staffers wrote the following in an internal Commission memo:

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In short, we believe that the possibility exists, based on evidence already available, that Ruby was involved in illegal dealings with Cuban elements who might have had contact with Oswald.

* According to an 11/25/63 Associated Press report, William Crowe, an entertainer who had performed at Ruby's Carousel Club, told an AP reporter he was "positive" he had seen Oswald in the club. Dallas Morning News reporter Kent Biffle said Crowe told him the same thing several days later.

* Karen Carlin, who had been a dancer at Ruby's club, told FBI agent Roger Warner on 11/24/63 that "she was under impression that Lee Oswald, Jack Ruby, and other individuals unknown to her, were involved in a plot to assassinate President Kennedy."

* Another Ruby dancer, Janet Conforto, told Dallas newsmen shortly after the assassination that she had seen Oswald in Ruby's club. Yet another Ruby dancer, Kathy Kay, told the Dallas Times Herald the same thing in 1975.

* Four Dallas deputy constables told the Dallas Morning News in 1976 that shortly after the assassination they examined a box of handwritten notes and other papers in the Dallas County Courthouse that linked Ruby to Oswald.

* In 1990 the Attorney General of Texas, Jim Mattox, announced that his mother had told him she once saw Ruby and Oswald eating dinner together in the restaurant where she worked.

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2022, 03:09:26 PM »
A crucial issue is how Ruby got into the DPD basement. The WC claimed Ruby walked down the Main Street ramp to enter the basement. Of course, if Ruby entered the basement another way, someone on the inside would have had to help him do so, which is why lone-gunman theorists continue to cling to the WC's tale about Ruby's entering the basement.

But several witnesses who were at or near the Main Street ramp before the shooting insisted Ruby did not go down it. Indeed, the policeman who was on duty at the top of the ramp vehemently denied Ruby had walked down it. The policeman said that no one walked down the ramp, and he volunteered for and then passed a lie-detector test to prove his veracity.

The HSCA reexamined the matter and concluded the evidence strongly indicated Ruby did not use the Main Street ramp, that he must have gotten into the basement through another entrance, and that he received help in doing so. The committee noted the several witnesses who were near or at the ramp who insisted Ruby did not use that entrance.

In fact, one of the witnesses was a UPI reporter, Terrance McGarry. McGarry said that at least five minutes before Oswald was shot, he had stationed himself at the middle of the basement end of the Main Street ramp and that no one came down the ramp during that time. Another one of the witnesses was taxi driver Harry Tasker, who knew Ruby. Tasker was standing at the ramp's entrance and kept the ramp under constant observation. Tasker told the FBI that not only did he not see Ruby walk down the ramp, but that he did not see Ruby anywhere near the ramp.

And let's remember that Dallas police sergeant Patrick Dean failed a lie detector test regarding his reassignment of police guards away from the elevators and a door to a stairway next to the stairs just before Ruby shot Oswald.

Yet, to this day, lone-gunman theorists claim Ruby entered the basement by walking down the Main Street ramp. Why? Because they know that if Ruby got into the heavily guarded basement by a different route, this would mean he lied about how he entered the basement and that someone on the inside let him in. This, of course, would prove that Ruby's shooting of Oswald was not a spontaneous act but rather a premeditated killing to silence Oswald.

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2022, 03:09:26 PM »

Offline Jim Hawthorn

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2022, 12:22:05 AM »
Yet, to this day, lone-gunman theorists claim Ruby entered the basement by walking down the Main Street ramp. Why? Because they know that if Ruby got into the heavily guarded basement by a different route, this would mean he lied about how he entered the basement and that someone on the inside let him in.

Ruby was apparently quite chummy with the guys down at the DPD. Because someone let him in doesn't mean that whoever did that was also part of the conspiracy.

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