Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination

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Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« on: July 02, 2022, 01:57:45 PM »
Researchers have long recognized that Jack Ruby's stalking and murder of Oswald is clear evidence that JFK was killed by a conspiracy. Researchers have also long recognized that the WC's version of Ruby's motives and actions is not only wrong but downright silly.

The WC dismissed key evidence that proved Ruby's action was not a spontaneous act of grief but a carefully planned execution. Around 3:00 PM on Saturday, 11/23, Ruby returned to the Allright Parking Garage and again telephoned KLIF radio to try to find out when Oswald would be transferred. Garnett Hallmark, who worked at the garage, was standing next to Ruby while Ruby was on the phone. Hallmark heard Ruby's end of the conversation. Hallmark told the WC that after Ruby mentioned that the transfer might be delayed, he said, I understand they are moving Oswald over to the county jail" and "you know I'll be there.

So Ruby was not at the DPD building by chance just before Oswald was supposed to be transferred. He was there because he planned to be there.

However, Ruby's plan was to try to make his silencing of Oswald appear to be an unplanned, spontaneous act based on his supposed grief over JFK's death and his alleged concern for Jackie. That's why he sent a Western Union wire transfer to one of his employees minutes before he entered the DPD basement, when he could have just as easily given her the money in person the next day. That's why he left his two dogs in his car (along with thousands of dollars in cash). 

But Hallmark's testimony alone destroys this tale. The day before the Oswald transfer, Ruby was on the phone trying to find out when the transfer would occur, and once he thought he knew, he said, "I'll be there."

Hallmark also testified at Ruby's trial, and Hallmark's testimony was crucial in proving that Ruby did not act spontaneously but that he stalked Oswald and planned his silencing of Oswald in advance.

Another big hole in Ruby's story was his claim that he was never at Parkland Hospital on the day of the assassination. Seth Kantor, a respected journalist who knew Ruby well, saw and spoke with Ruby at Parkland soon after the shooting. Incredibly, the WC chose to believe Ruby over Kantor.

Here's a good article by John Armstrong about Ruby:

https://harveyandlee.net/Ruby/Ruby.html

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Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« on: July 02, 2022, 01:57:45 PM »

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2022, 08:45:58 PM »
Researchers have long recognized that Jack Ruby's stalking and murder of Oswald is clear evidence that JFK was killed by a conspiracy. Researchers have also long recognized that the WC's version of Ruby's motives and actions is not only wrong but downright silly.

The WC dismissed key evidence that proved Ruby's action was not a spontaneous act of grief but a carefully planned execution. Around 3:00 PM on Saturday, 11/23, Ruby returned to the Allright Parking Garage and again telephoned KLIF radio to try to find out when Oswald would be transferred. Garnett Hallmark, who worked at the garage, was standing next to Ruby while Ruby was on the phone. Hallmark heard Ruby's end of the conversation. Hallmark told the WC that after Ruby mentioned that the transfer might be delayed, he said, I understand they are moving Oswald over to the county jail" and "you know I'll be there.

So Ruby was not at the DPD building by chance just before Oswald was supposed to be transferred. He was there because he planned to be there.

However, Ruby's plan was to try to make his silencing of Oswald appear to be an unplanned, spontaneous act based on his supposed grief over JFK's death and his alleged concern for Jackie. That's why he sent a Western Union wire transfer to one of his employees minutes before he entered the DPD basement, when he could have just as easily given her the money in person the next day. That's why he left his two dogs in his car (along with thousands of dollars in cash). 

But Hallmark's testimony alone destroys this tale. The day before the Oswald transfer, Ruby was on the phone trying to find out when the transfer would occur, and once he thought he knew, he said, "I'll be there."

Hallmark also testified at Ruby's trial, and Hallmark's testimony was crucial in proving that Ruby did not act spontaneously but that he stalked Oswald and planned his silencing of Oswald in advance.

Another big hole in Ruby's story was his claim that he was never at Parkland Hospital on the day of the assassination. Seth Kantor, a respected journalist who knew Ruby well, saw and spoke with Ruby at Parkland soon after the shooting. Incredibly, the WC chose to believe Ruby over Kantor.

Here's a good article by John Armstrong about Ruby:

https://harveyandlee.net/Ruby/Ruby.html

If anything, the involvement of Jack Ruby is indictive of no conspiracy.  There were three golden opportunities for the DPD to kill Oswald before his arrest without the complex and risky necessity of recruiting someone else to do that.  At the TSBD, the Tippit scene, and then Texas Theatre.  The police would have been fully justified to kill Oswald in any of those instances with no questions asked.  Instead CTers want us to believe that the DPD took Oswald into custody and freely allowed him to talk to the press and his family.  They somehow convinced Jack Ruby, a loose cannon, to commit the murder on national TV and trusted him to remain silent while he spent the rest of his life in jail.  Absurd.   Ironically, the DPD got burned for trying to be as open and transparent with their treatment of Oswald as possible.  As a result, they inadvertently created a security risk.

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2022, 08:45:58 PM »

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2022, 10:27:37 PM »
Only a sociopath would say that the police would have been justified to kill Oswald in the TSBD. For what, drinking a Coke?

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2022, 05:13:57 AM »
Only a sociopath would say that the police would have been justified to kill Oswald in the TSBD. For what, drinking a Coke?
Additionally... extreme doubt that it was actually Oswald that was present at the Tippit shooting.
At the Tex. Theater...things obviously did not really happen as the fable story says.

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2022, 05:13:57 AM »

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2022, 05:22:07 AM »
As stated in several other posts...Jack Ruby was allowed to declare his own actions for the entire weekend.
The Warren gang accepted without any doubt Mr Ruby's professed alibi despite contradictory statements and conflicting witness testimony.
Sorry about this..lone nut theorists  :(

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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2022, 04:44:48 PM »
So hilarious in its logical inconsistency.  Obviously, if the conspirators were framing Oswald and intended to silence him at the TSBD, their story would not have been that he was "drinking" a coke.  HA HA HA.  Their story would have been something that allowed them to use lethal force.  For example, that they encountered Oswald trying to escape with a gun.  The point being that, if there was a conspiracy that included a plan to silence Oswald, they could have made up whatever scenario was necessary to do away with him while he was out of sight in the building.  No one would have been the wiser.  In fact, that is actually what the contrarians suggest the police did do at the TT including planting a gun on Oswald!  But the DPD still didn't kill Oswald given this golden opportunity!!!  Unreal.  Thus, our contrarians have inadvertently demonstrated, once again, that there was no conspiracy.
 

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2022, 04:44:48 PM »

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2022, 05:09:36 PM »
When was Oswald ever out of sight in the building after the police arrived?

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2022, 05:09:36 PM »

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2022, 05:11:27 PM »
You are apparently unaware that a review of Ruby's polygraph shows that he arguably actually failed the question about whether he was involved in a conspiracy with Oswald. The HSCA polygraph experts stated the following in their report regarding the reaction to the question, "Did you assist Oswald in the assassination?":

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In fact, the reactions to the preceding question--(Did you assist Oswald in the assassination?)--showed the largest valid GSR reaction in test series No. 1. In addition, there is a constant suppression of breathing and a rise in blood pressure at the time of this crucial relevant question. From this test, it appeared to the panel that Ruby was possibly lying when answering "no" to the question, "Did you assist Oswald in the assassination?" This is contrary to Herndon's opinion that Ruby was truthful when answering that question. (8 HSCA 217-218)

You are also apparently unaware that Ruby later admitted that his tale about shooting Oswald to spare Jackie a trial was false.

Your bizarre scenario requires one to believe that every DPD officer was in on the plot and that therefore it would have been an easy task to kill Oswald much earlier. But no one argues such a silly scenario. Most DPD officers were not in on the plot.

Also, when did the DPD allow Oswald to "freely talk to the press"? When was this? Not on this planet. The DPD allowed Oswald to have very little interaction with the press. All of his comments to the press combined lasted less than 3 minutes.

The DPD also, in clear violation of the law, refused Oswald the right to have an attorney present during his questioning. Gee, why was that?

The DPD also failed to record a single one of Oswald's numerous interrogation sessions. Gee, why was that? This was the most important, historic suspect ever in DPD custody, but they never managed to record a single one of his interrogations.

There's also the fact that Ruby clearly entered the basement with help from someone inside the basement. The tale that he strolled down the Main Street ramp was debunked years ago. Even the HSCA rejected it and acknowledged that someone on the inside let Ruby enter the basement.

Finally, lone-gunman theorists still have no credible innocent explanation for all of Ruby's numerous long-distance calls to Mafia contacts in the weeks leading up to the assassination.
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2022, 06:16:12 PM »
You are apparently unaware that a review of Ruby's polygraph shows that he arguably actually failed the question about whether he was involved in a conspiracy with Oswald. The HSCA polygraph experts stated the following in their report regarding the reaction to the question, "Did you assist Oswald in the assassination?":

You are also apparently unaware that Ruby later admitted that his tale about shooting Oswald to spare Jackie a trial was false.

Your bizarre scenario requires one to believe that every DPD officer was in on the plot and that therefore it would have been an easy task to kill Oswald much earlier. But no one argues such a silly scenario. Most DPD officers were not in on the plot.

Also, when did the DPD allow Oswald to "freely talk to the press"? When was this? Not on this planet. The DPD allowed Oswald to have very little interaction with the press. All of his comments to the press combined lasted less than 3 minutes.

The DPD also, in clear violation of the law, refused Oswald the right to have an attorney present during his questioning. Gee, why was that?

The DPD also failed to record a single one of Oswald's numerous interrogation sessions. Gee, why was that? This was the most important, historic suspect ever in DPD custody, but they never managed to record a single one of his interrogations.

There's also the fact that Ruby clearly entered the basement with help from someone inside the basement. The tale that he strolled down the Main Street ramp was debunked years ago. Even the HSCA rejected it and acknowledged that someone on the inside let Ruby enter the basement.

Finally, lone-gunman theorists still have no credible innocent explanation for all of Ruby's numerous long-distance calls to Mafia contacts in the weeks leading up to the assassination.


Your bizarre scenario requires one to believe that every DPD officer was in on the plot and that therefore it would have been an easy task to kill Oswald much earlier. But no one argues such a silly scenario. Most DPD officers were not in on the plot.


Commonsense would reveal that if the plot to murder JFK was as wide spread as Mr "Smith" proposes then there would not have been an assassination....Because it would not have been a secret....

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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2022, 06:16:12 PM »

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Re: Jack Ruby: A Rosetta Stone of the JFK Assassination
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2022, 12:11:51 AM »
You are apparently unaware that a review of Ruby's polygraph shows that he arguably actually failed the question about whether he was involved in a conspiracy with Oswald. The HSCA polygraph experts stated the following in their report regarding the reaction to the question, "Did you assist Oswald in the assassination?":

You are also apparently unaware that Ruby later admitted that his tale about shooting Oswald to spare Jackie a trial was false.

Your bizarre scenario requires one to believe that every DPD officer was in on the plot and that therefore it would have been an easy task to kill Oswald much earlier. But no one argues such a silly scenario. Most DPD officers were not in on the plot.

Also, when did the DPD allow Oswald to "freely talk to the press"? When was this? Not on this planet. The DPD allowed Oswald to have very little interaction with the press. All of his comments to the press combined lasted less than 3 minutes.

The DPD also, in clear violation of the law, refused Oswald the right to have an attorney present during his questioning. Gee, why was that?

The DPD also failed to record a single one of Oswald's numerous interrogation sessions. Gee, why was that? This was the most important, historic suspect ever in DPD custody, but they never managed to record a single one of his interrogations.

There's also the fact that Ruby clearly entered the basement with help from someone inside the basement. The tale that he strolled down the Main Street ramp was debunked years ago. Even the HSCA rejected it and acknowledged that someone on the inside let Ruby enter the basement.

Finally, lone-gunman theorists still have no credible innocent explanation for all of Ruby's numerous long-distance calls to Mafia contacts in the weeks leading up to the assassination.

Ruby "arguably actually failed" a polygraph?  Wow.  I guess that really does it.  Again, there would be no need for Jack Ruby in a conspiracy that involved killing Oswald.  There were multiple opportunities before his arrest.  And the DPD freely allowed him to speak to the press in the hallways and even at a press conference full of reporters and TV cameras.  He also was allowed to speak with his own family.  It's absurd to believe they somehow recruited a loose cannon like Ruby and then trusted him to remain silent for the rest of his live in prison. 

 

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