Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie


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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #200 on: August 07, 2022, 02:47:32 PM »
Thanking you kindly, Mr Plant!  Thumb1:

Mr Piper's claimed vantage point for the P. Parade--------------one of the 'windows' at the front of the first floor--------------would have been credible if the assassination had happened the previous year:



I believe Mr Piper watched the P. Parade from just inside the front door.

Here's what he told the Sheriff's Dept.:



Here's what he told the FBI:



He was in the perfect place to see Officer Baker and Mr Truly come running in and go up the FRONT stairs. And the perfect place to see Mr Oswald go outside to watch the P. Parade.

Hence his need to pretend to have watched the motorcade from somewhere else. Unfortunately, he chose for that somewhere else----------a blind spot!

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This might also explain Mr Bill Shelley's oddly well-informed response to Mr Ball here:

Mr. BALL - When you came into the shipping room did you see anybody?
Mr. SHELLEY - I saw Eddie Piper.
Mr. BALL - What was he doing?
Mr. SHELLEY - He was coming back from where he was watching the motorcade in the southwest corner of the shipping room.
Mr. BALL - Of the first floor of the building?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes.


Some five minutes after the assassination, Mr Piper finally leaves his 'window'?

We believe you, Mr Shelley. We really do!  ;)

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #201 on: August 08, 2022, 03:38:00 AM »


In fact, it is quite possible that Mr Piper sat on the west radiator eating his lunch awaiting the motorcade, then stood up to see what he could of Pres. Kennedy passing, then sat back down. If so, then he may well be a background figure behind the glass in Darnell, blending into Prayer Man's form............

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #202 on: August 08, 2022, 04:20:00 AM »
If Mr Piper is sitting on that west radiator, then Prayer Man's body may actually be facing forward rather than to the side, with his arms folded---------and what folks have taken to be Prayer Man's left elbow/arm is in fact a piece of Mr Piper behind the glass



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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #203 on: August 08, 2022, 10:46:40 AM »


In fact, it is quite possible that Mr Piper sat on the west radiator eating his lunch awaiting the motorcade, then stood up to see what he could of Pres. Kennedy passing, then sat back down. If so, then he may well be a background figure behind the glass in Darnell, blending into Prayer Man's form............

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That could very well be the case, especially if there was some sort of reflection in the glass. Unfortunately, with the distorted photo you really can't tell for certain if the figure of Piper was behind the Prayer Man. But if you look closely enough, it appears there could be something next to the Prayer Man's left arm in the background.   

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #204 on: August 08, 2022, 03:06:50 PM »
That could very well be the case, especially if there was some sort of reflection in the glass. Unfortunately, with the distorted photo you really can't tell for certain if the figure of Piper was behind the Prayer Man. But if you look closely enough, it appears there could be something next to the Prayer Man's left arm in the background.   

Yes, Mr Plant, if one goes through frame by frame, then there does appear to be some visual information there behind the glass that may be lending illusory volume to Prayer Man's body............

e.g.



Some have suggested that this is Prayer Man's reflection in the glass, but I'm not sure the light conditions are right for that........

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #205 on: August 09, 2022, 01:29:56 PM »

At the time Mr Piper saw Mr Truly and Officer Baker go up the stairs, he was facing and looking at the front lobby/entrance.


Evening Star (Washington), 11/29/63:



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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #206 on: August 09, 2022, 01:38:29 PM »
Evening Star (Washington), 11/29/63:



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Possibly not unrelated!

Ms. Geneva Hine early statement:



Officer Baker in the book First Day Evidence:



Could it be that Officer Baker wished to clarify the situation BEFORE proceeding further? Did he put in a telephone call to verify that shots had indeed been fired at Pres. Kennedy? Note that Ms Hine says the officer only told her the Pres. had been shot AFTER he had operated the switchboard............

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #207 on: August 10, 2022, 03:16:27 PM »
Ms. Geneva Hine early statement:



Who, after Officer Baker, was the first law enforcement officer to enter the building? And how soon after the shooting did he enter?

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