Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie

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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #180 on: August 01, 2022, 03:33:39 AM »
Nice work Dan, but it has all been viewed before. You don't need to do any research, just read back a few pages in the thread and you will see why this post is completely wrong. The Stroud document is a joke. Styles and Adams did not leave as quickly as they thought they did.

Nice work Dan

Thanks, I thought so too  Thumb1:

You don't need to do any research

I find it helps

just read back a few pages in the thread and you will see why this post is completely wrong

I've done that and found nothing.
you seem to fully accept the part of Adams' testimony regarding the encounter with Lovelady and Shelley...

Even though Adams herself insists this has been fabricated.
Even though Styles confirms no such encounter took place.
Even though Shelley contradicts this encounter by saying he thought he saw Adams later on and on the fourth floor.
Even though Lovelady has clearly been coached about Vickie Adams.
Even though Lovelady admits he didn't re-enter the TSBD building for 20-25 minutes after the assassination.
Even though Adams states in her WC testimony she left within seconds.
Even though both Garner and Styles confirm this.
Even though Garner's interview with Ernest corroborates the Stroud document.

Not good work Jack.

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #180 on: August 01, 2022, 03:33:39 AM »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #181 on: August 01, 2022, 04:54:22 PM »
Nice work Dan

Thanks, I thought so too  Thumb1:

You don't need to do any research

I find it helps

just read back a few pages in the thread and you will see why this post is completely wrong

I've done that and found nothing.
you seem to fully accept the part of Adams' testimony regarding the encounter with Lovelady and Shelley...

Even though Adams herself insists this has been fabricated.
Even though Styles confirms no such encounter took place.
Even though Shelley contradicts this encounter by saying he thought he saw Adams later on and on the fourth floor.
Even though Lovelady has clearly been coached about Vickie Adams.
Even though Lovelady admits he didn't re-enter the TSBD building for 20-25 minutes after the assassination.
Even though Adams states in her WC testimony she left within seconds.
Even though both Garner and Styles confirm this.
Even though Garner's interview with Ernest corroborates the Stroud document.

Not good work Jack.

Of course, the WC had a clean, simple way to discredit Ms Adams: call Ms Styles as a witness. No more effective way to destroy Ms Adams' claimed timeline than by seeking the account of the woman who ran down the stairs with her.

They didn't call Ms Styles. Instead they resorted to the ridiculous Shelley/Lovelady 'solution'.

Speaks volumes about their fear of what Ms Styles would have testified to. Why, it would have been even more disastrous than putting Ms Garner in the stand-------which is saying something!

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #181 on: August 01, 2022, 04:54:22 PM »

Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #182 on: August 03, 2022, 02:05:03 PM »
~Snicker~

Translation, Part I: 'My claim that Adams & Styles' encounter with a policeman when they exited the Depository discredits Adams' timeline has itself been discredited, and I'm mad about it'

Translation, Part II: ''My claim that Adams' mention of a policeman at the Depository front door further discredits Adams' timeline has itself also been discredited, and I'm mad as hell about it'

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Huh? Really this makes zero sense-- once again. It will help you if you read the WC testimony of Harkness and Sawyer. It puts the whole Adams -Styles saga to rest.

No further explanation on why Welcome Barnett sprinted to the back of the TSBD, turned the girls around then sprinted back to the front of the TSBD to deny them access to the building? Absolutely brilliant thinking. Deep Politics Forum would be proud.


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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #182 on: August 03, 2022, 02:05:03 PM »

Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #183 on: August 03, 2022, 02:06:58 PM »
Another painful L for poor Mr Nessan!   Thumb1:

Really, I do not want to continue babysitting you. It is your post. If you can't explain the relevance of your own posts, maybe stop making them. It must be a Deep Politics thing to make wild claims and then not be able to substantiate them or support them.

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #183 on: August 03, 2022, 02:06:58 PM »

Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #184 on: August 03, 2022, 02:12:14 PM »
Nice work Dan

Thanks, I thought so too  Thumb1:

You don't need to do any research

I find it helps

just read back a few pages in the thread and you will see why this post is completely wrong

I've done that and found nothing.
you seem to fully accept the part of Adams' testimony regarding the encounter with Lovelady and Shelley...

Even though Adams herself insists this has been fabricated.
Even though Styles confirms no such encounter took place.
Even though Shelley contradicts this encounter by saying he thought he saw Adams later on and on the fourth floor.
Even though Lovelady has clearly been coached about Vickie Adams.
Even though Lovelady admits he didn't re-enter the TSBD building for 20-25 minutes after the assassination.
Even though Adams states in her WC testimony she left within seconds.
Even though both Garner and Styles confirm this.
Even though Garner's interview with Ernest corroborates the Stroud document.

Not good work Jack.

Dan you have somehow completely gotten off track. The info in this post in no way resembles your original post. Did you give up on your quotes and the subsequent supporting information? If you did, good choice, there was nothing there.

If you can prove any of what is on this list, how about a few quotes to go along with your claims? A quick scan of the list and once it looks like again a lot of crap being offered as proof.


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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #184 on: August 03, 2022, 02:12:14 PM »

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #185 on: August 03, 2022, 05:01:22 PM »
Huh? Really this makes zero sense-- once again. It will help you if you read the WC testimony of Harkness and Sawyer. It puts the whole Adams -Styles saga to rest.

No further explanation on why Welcome Barnett sprinted to the back of the TSBD, turned the girls around then sprinted back to the front of the TSBD to deny them access to the building? Absolutely brilliant thinking. Deep Politics Forum would be proud.

:D

You made silly claims, Mr Nessan, and got caught out because you hadn't read Officer Barnett's testimony. And now you're just waving your arms helplessly in the air.

This kind of thing would happen to you less often if you actually did some research before making silly claims

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #185 on: August 03, 2022, 05:01:22 PM »

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #186 on: August 03, 2022, 05:02:53 PM »
Dan you have somehow completely gotten off track. The info in this post in no way resembles your original post. Did you give up on your quotes and the subsequent supporting information? If you did, good choice, there was nothing there.

If you can prove any of what is on this list, how about a few quotes to go along with your claims? A quick scan of the list and once it looks like again a lot of crap being offered as proof.

Yet another hopelessly bot-like response from Mr Nessan. Even his fellow Warren Gullibles must be wincing by now!  Thumb1:

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #186 on: August 03, 2022, 05:02:53 PM »

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #187 on: August 04, 2022, 02:08:37 PM »
:D

You made silly claims, Mr Nessan, and got caught out because you hadn't read Officer Barnett's testimony. And now you're just waving your arms helplessly in the air.

This kind of thing would happen to you less often if you actually did some research before making silly claims

No, I don't think so. Really spot on.
Let us look at your post again. You are obviously proud of it. Maybe something was overlooked. No appears to be just ignorance.
A Ford:
"in all likelihood Officer Eugene Welcome Barnett"
"it may well have been Officer Barnett"


 Absolutely brilliantly stated. A real credit to your Deep Politics heritage. Are all your posts this concise? You were able to glean this valuable info from Barnett's testimony?
Thoughts this valuable deserve a second quote.


"It was in all likelihood Officer Eugene Welcome Barnett whom Ms Adams & Ms Styles encountered when they came off the loading dock and ran out just past the first railroad track"


"And it may well have been Officer Barnett too whom Ms Adams had words with at the front door a few minutes later:"

Mr. Liebeler.
How long do you think it was from the time the last shot was fired until the time you were at the front door keeping people from going in and out?
Mr. Barnett.
It was around 2 1/2 minutes. Maybe between 2 1/2 or 3 minutes.
Mr. Liebeler.
From the time the last shot was fired until the time you were standing at that front door?
Mr. Barnett.
Yes.

Is there any part of the assassination you are particularly knowledgeable about? The Styles and Adams storyline seems to have gone right past you.


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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #187 on: August 04, 2022, 02:08:37 PM »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #188 on: August 04, 2022, 02:19:15 PM »
No, I don't think so. Really spot on.
Let us look at your post again. You are obviously proud of it. Maybe something was overlooked. No appears to be just ignorance.
A Ford:
"in all likelihood Officer Eugene Welcome Barnett"
"it may well have been Officer Barnett"


 Absolutely brilliantly stated. A real credit to your Deep Politics heritage. Are all your posts this concise? You were able to glean this valuable info from Barnett's testimony?
Thoughts this valuable deserve a second quote.


"It was in all likelihood Officer Eugene Welcome Barnett whom Ms Adams & Ms Styles encountered when they came off the loading dock and ran out just past the first railroad track"


"And it may well have been Officer Barnett too whom Ms Adams had words with at the front door a few minutes later:"

Mr. Liebeler.
How long do you think it was from the time the last shot was fired until the time you were at the front door keeping people from going in and out?
Mr. Barnett.
It was around 2 1/2 minutes. Maybe between 2 1/2 or 3 minutes.
Mr. Liebeler.
From the time the last shot was fired until the time you were standing at that front door?
Mr. Barnett.
Yes.

Is there any part of the assassination you are particularly knowledgeable about? The Styles and Adams storyline seems to have gone right past you.

This is all you've got, Mr Nessan? Really. Gee, I feel your pain.

You claimed there was no police presence behind the Depository early enough for Ms Adams' timestamp for her exit. I proved you wrong.

You claimed there was no police presence at the front door of the Depository early enough for Ms Adams' account of speaking to an officer there when she wished to return inside the building. I proved you wrong.

After that, it's just been embarrassed histrionics from you

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #188 on: August 04, 2022, 02:19:15 PM »

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #189 on: August 05, 2022, 12:28:00 AM »
Dan you have somehow completely gotten off track. The info in this post in no way resembles your original post. Did you give up on your quotes and the subsequent supporting information? If you did, good choice, there was nothing there.

If you can prove any of what is on this list, how about a few quotes to go along with your claims? A quick scan of the list and once it looks like again a lot of crap being offered as proof.

This post is utterly meaningless, nonsensical and irrelevant.
It is obviously a tactic employed to disguise how out of your depth you are.
But I'll throw you a bone...
Rather than deal with the list I presented in full, just critique one point, any point you want and explain to me, and everyone else what is wrong with it:

Adams herself insists this has been fabricated.
Styles confirms no such encounter took place.
Shelley contradicts this encounter by saying he thought he saw Adams later on and on the fourth floor.
Lovelady has clearly been coached about Vickie Adams.
Lovelady admits he didn't re-enter the TSBD building for 20-25 minutes after the assassination.
Adams states in her WC testimony she left within seconds.
Both Garner and Styles confirm that Adams left immediately.
Garner's interview with Ernest corroborates the Stroud document.




 

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