Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2022, 07:18:33 AM »
Still on this scenario:

What if Mr Shelley tells the 'investigating' authorities that
-----Mr Oswald was definitely not in long sleeves
-----however, he cannot be 100% sure whether Mr Oswald was wearing a white tshirt only or the reddish shirt he wore to work that day over his white tshirt



This is a potential headache! What if a color Dealey Plaza aftermath photograph or film should turn up showing Shelley+LHO together in the background?

Least worst solution: spread bets by giving Mr Lovelady a red-and-white striped short sleeved shirt. Should the worst come to the worst, 'photoanalyst experts' can be found to explain to the unwashed masses how colors can seem to wash into one another at long range. If the man with Mr Shelley looks to be in white, then the red of Mr Lovelady's claimed shirt can be explained away; if in red, then the white can be explained away.

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2022, 07:18:33 AM »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2022, 07:27:36 AM »
With the passage of time, worry about a Dealey Plaza aftermath image of Shelley+LHO recedes. Mr Lovelady is now free to 'clarify' the issue of his upper garment. And he loses his paranoia about being photographed:


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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2022, 07:35:38 AM »
But there is one more shock in store for the poor man.

In November 1976, he is interviewed for the HSCA. All is going well until near the end of the interview, when Mr Robert Groden hits him with the Martin film, which shows Mr Lovelady out on the steps plenty minutes after the assassination:



Mr Lovelady goes to pieces. His story of leaving the steps with Mr Shelley and re-entering the building by the west door is blown. He finally admits the truth: he didn't in fact re-enter the building until 20-25 minutes after the shooting.

Nobody but Mr Lovelady realises it, but this is WAY more dangerous than all the crazy hooplah over Doorwayman in Altgens.

In January 1979, Mr Lovelady dies aged 41 of a heart attack.

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2022, 09:04:45 AM »
Still on this scenario:

The fact that Mr Oswald was seen dashing off those front steps very soon after the shots rang out reached the ears of Chief Jesse Curry, who related the fact later that day in garbled fashion------------------



"Oswald rushed out"

Chief Curry is erroneously combining Mr Oswald's 12:30 dash from the steps (following Mr Shelley) with his later front-door encounter with Lt. Kaminski. It is possible he has also heard word of Officer Baker's first-floor sighting of Mr Oswald (Mr Ochus Campbell's storage room report), and is putting 2+2 together to make 5 because of the fact that Officer Baker dashed into the building just after the shooting.

By next day, all of this will be cleaned up into a single second-floor lunchroom encounter---------------a fictional incident whose purpose is to disappear Mr Oswald's alibi, and whose location has its origin in what Mr Oswald actually told Captain Fritz:



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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2022, 09:18:12 AM »
Here is Mr Oswald (blue arrow) being brought into the Homicide Office in handcuffs:



Mr Lovelady is sitting on a chair, watching on.

Mr Oswald cannot immediately be brought into the small back room, because Mr Shelley is in there (purple arrow). He is giving his first affidavit, freely telling of his encounter with Ms Gloria Calvery out by the corner of the 'park'.

He will be asked to give a second affidavit, this one treating of the man who has just been brought in as a suspect.

Like Mr Oswald, Mr Shelley will honestly state that he went outside to watch the P. Parade:



But then his statement will be carefully worded so as to omit a key interval of time containing the simple sequence of events that clears Mr Oswald of the shooting:



What's been left out? Why the several minutes between being outside on the front steps and being back inside the building 'checking around' for employees.

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2022, 09:38:19 AM »


Has residual evidence of a sudden, downward movement managed to survive in the pre-penultimate and penultimate doorway frames of the publicly available Wiegman film? With the shadow-requiring Mr Lovelady now out of the picture, have the 'investigators' gotten sloppy in their doctoring and let a dangerous detail slip through?

Is this the moment Mr Shelley started to make his dash?


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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2022, 10:00:44 AM »
Here's Mr Lovelady in Hughes (just behind Mr Carl Edward Jones):



Look closely, and you will see a figure in blue behind him, closer to the center of the doorway.

Who can it be? It can't be Mr Buell Wesley Frazier, who is not in blue. I believe it's Mr Shelley.

A few seconds later, and Mr Lovelady has moved over to the center of the doorway and back up a few steps. Just behind him, I believe, is Mr Shelley:



Now cf!:



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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2022, 10:11:59 AM »
So!

If the scenario I have outlined in this thread is correct, then it follows that Prayer Man in Darnell is not Mr Oswald. He had already left the steps and was way west by the time Darnell filmed those frames.

So who might Prayer Man in Darnell be?

I believe it may in fact be Ms Carolyn Arnold, whom Mr Shelley in his March 64 FBI statement names as one of the people on the steps at the time of the shooting:



She may have been the young woman whom Mr Ronald Fischer noticed going into the building just before the motorcade arrived in Dealey Plaza.



She was six months pregnant, and may have wished to get out of the sun.

Because everyone on the steps was intently awaiting the motorcade, Ms Arnold's arrival there went all but unnoticed (only Mr Shelley, who ended up standing beside her, noticed).

She had noticed Mr Oswald up in the lunchroom several minutes before this. And as she now went up the steps to get into the shade, she noticed him again: standing behind the glass door. The FBI will see to it that this sighting is reflected in her FBI interview report, but they will grossly distort the true time and circumstances. This gives them insurance lest she go public with her story: 'She told us something different, now she's changing her story for sensational effect.'

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2022, 10:16:31 AM »
And here (I believe) is Mr Lovelady still on the steps in Darnell, and hearing about what has happened from Ms Gloria Calvery-----------the same Ms Gloria Calvery whom Mr Shelley has already encountered out by the corner of the 'park'.



Mr Shelley is nowhere to be seen in Darnell. He has left the steps and gone west with Mr Oswald.

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2022, 01:49:49 AM »
Mr. BALL - You went to the concrete between the two Elm Streets?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes, where they split.


If Mr Shelley is telling the geographical truth here, but pretending he went out there with Mr Lovelady rather than with Mr Oswald, then this may be Mr Oswald out there, in white teeshirt:



Imagine if this is indeed Mr Oswald, but we were getting a clearer/closer image of him than Darnell is giving us here. You see how the issue of Mr Lovelady's upper garment would become life-or-death for the survival of the official story...............

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