Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie

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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #203 on: August 08, 2022, 10:46:40 AM »


In fact, it is quite possible that Mr Piper sat on the west radiator eating his lunch awaiting the motorcade, then stood up to see what he could of Pres. Kennedy passing, then sat back down. If so, then he may well be a background figure behind the glass in Darnell, blending into Prayer Man's form............

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That could very well be the case, especially if there was some sort of reflection in the glass. Unfortunately, with the distorted photo you really can't tell for certain if the figure of Piper was behind the Prayer Man. But if you look closely enough, it appears there could be something next to the Prayer Man's left arm in the background.   

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #204 on: August 08, 2022, 03:06:50 PM »
That could very well be the case, especially if there was some sort of reflection in the glass. Unfortunately, with the distorted photo you really can't tell for certain if the figure of Piper was behind the Prayer Man. But if you look closely enough, it appears there could be something next to the Prayer Man's left arm in the background.   

Yes, Mr Plant, if one goes through frame by frame, then there does appear to be some visual information there behind the glass that may be lending illusory volume to Prayer Man's body............

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Some have suggested that this is Prayer Man's reflection in the glass, but I'm not sure the light conditions are right for that........

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #205 on: August 09, 2022, 01:29:56 PM »

At the time Mr Piper saw Mr Truly and Officer Baker go up the stairs, he was facing and looking at the front lobby/entrance.


Evening Star (Washington), 11/29/63:



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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #206 on: August 09, 2022, 01:38:29 PM »
Evening Star (Washington), 11/29/63:



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Possibly not unrelated!

Ms. Geneva Hine early statement:



Officer Baker in the book First Day Evidence:



Could it be that Officer Baker wished to clarify the situation BEFORE proceeding further? Did he put in a telephone call to verify that shots had indeed been fired at Pres. Kennedy? Note that Ms Hine says the officer only told her the Pres. had been shot AFTER he had operated the switchboard............

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #207 on: August 10, 2022, 03:16:27 PM »
Ms. Geneva Hine early statement:



Who, after Officer Baker, was the first law enforcement officer to enter the building? And how soon after the shooting did he enter?

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #208 on: August 10, 2022, 06:52:44 PM »
Who, after Officer Baker, was the first law enforcement officer to enter the building? And how soon after the shooting did he enter?



Ms Hine gives a very different account to the WC:

Mr. BALL. When you came back in did you see Mrs. Reid?
Miss HINE. No, sir; I don't believe there was a soul in the office when I came back in right then.
Mr. BALL. Did you see anybody else go in through there?
Miss HINE. No, sir; after I answered the telephone then there was about four or five people that came in.

The individual policeman who appeared on the scene "almost immediately" after Ms Hine witnessed pandemonium out on the street has vanished from the story..........................

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #209 on: August 11, 2022, 09:58:22 AM »
Here's Mr Lovelady in Hughes (just behind Mr Carl Edward Jones):



Look closely, and you will see a figure in blue behind him, closer to the center of the doorway.

Who can it be? It can't be Mr Buell Wesley Frazier, who is not in blue. I believe it's Mr Shelley.

A few seconds later, and Mr Lovelady has moved over to the center of the doorway and back up a few steps. Just behind him, I believe, is Mr Shelley:



Now cf!:



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That appears to be Shelley wearing the plaid shirt.