Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #119 on: July 21, 2022, 03:20:38 PM »
How are you sure of that he did not. The whole basis of this thread is Fritz lied. Even this post is about Fritz lied. Back to the double standard?

Oh but we know for a fact that Capt. Fritz---------and not just Captain Fritz----------lied about what Mr Oswald said. Or maybe you're going to suggest that this document is "completely fabricated" too?


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #120 on: July 21, 2022, 03:21:55 PM »
If you can produce anything that legitimately backs up your claims that would be new. If you are so sure of the Stroud document by all means elaborate.

So you are arguing that the Stroud document is "completely fabricated"? Yes?

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #121 on: July 22, 2022, 01:22:17 AM »
So by “indistinguishable”, you mean they both look like Mannlicher Carcanos to you in fuzzy, indistinct images.



"fuzzy, indistinct images"  ;D

Are you sure there's not something wrong with your eyesight?

Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #122 on: July 22, 2022, 02:32:00 PM »
Oh but we know for a fact that Capt. Fritz---------and not just Captain Fritz----------lied about what Mr Oswald said. Or maybe you're going to suggest that this document is "completely fabricated" too?



What is Fritz's big lie? These claims have a way of usually turning out to be nothing but a farce.

LHO told Holmes he came downstairs to the lunchroom encounter.

Are you out of hokey documents to post?

Offline Jim Hawthorn

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #123 on: July 22, 2022, 05:05:37 PM »
So maybe he's being set up not as sixth-floor gunman but as having owned & supplied rifle used.
Yes, I can go with that. As I've always thought, the conspirators had their plan and the authorities had theirs (the depiction/use of Oswald as the gunman).
If Oswald supplied the rifle he'd ordered, he musn't have known that the shooting was programmed for November 22nd. He might even have lent the rifle to a friend/contact with no notion that it would be used as an assassination weapon.

And if, as you believe, a Mauser was found on the sixth floor, how would this be part of a plot to frame Mr Oswald as the Lone Nut sixth-floor shooter?

I'm remembering old threads saying that it was a Mauser that had been found initially (described as such by officers). Then there was the notion that the MC was substited before Tom Aylea arrived on the scene to film the extraction. I've been away from the forum for a few years, so all that might have been eliminated as a possibility.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #124 on: July 22, 2022, 06:22:35 PM »
"fuzzy, indistinct images"  ;D

Are you sure there's not something wrong with your eyesight?

Exactly what about that screams “Carcano”?

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Re: Messrs Shelley & Lovelady: The Big Lie
« Reply #125 on: July 22, 2022, 06:24:35 PM »
What is Fritz's big lie? These claims have a way of usually turning out to be nothing but a farce.

LHO told Holmes he came downstairs to the lunchroom encounter.

Are you out of hokey documents to post?

Oswald didn’t talk to Holmes. Are you out of hokey claims to post? Holmes couldn’t  even remember what the Coke was about.