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Offline Joe Elliott

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« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2022, 06:48:13 AM »

Ok. fair enough.
In your opinion a NRA Master Marksman who is training & competing in shooting competitions regularly would have a hard time making accurate shots at stationary targets he knows the distances of?

Yet Oswald. who was so clumsy and uncoordinated he was unable to drive a automobile, was able to hit JFK in the back of the neck & back of the head while he is riding in a moving vehicle at a unknown speed & at unknown distances from 60 feet in the air. Miller fired from a 30 foot tower. And there is as much evidence of LHO training shooting the Carcano as there is of Miller practicing shooting it. None.

Obviously you have little practical experience with firearms.

In your opinion a NRA Master Marksman who is training & competing in shooting competitions regularly would have a hard time making accurate shots at stationary targets he knows the distances of?

Yes, he could. If he was unfamiliar with the rifle. If he didn’t know the Carcano would miss high by 5.7 inches at 88 yards.

The sort of rifles Specialist Miller was mostly familiar with would be ones that fire higher speed bullets. So, the rifle would not have to be pointed up at a high angle for it to strike a target 200 yards, or meters, away.

It’s not enough to know the distance to the target. He would also have to be familiar with the rifle.

Yet Oswald. who was so clumsy and uncoordinated he was unable to drive a automobile, was able to hit JFK in the back of the neck & back of the head while he is riding in a moving vehicle at a unknown speed & at unknown distances from 60 feet in the air. Miller fired from a 30 foot tower. And there is as much evidence of LHO training shooting the Carcano as there is of Miller practicing shooting it. None.

Oswald could not, legally at least, drive an automobile, not because he was clumsy and uncoordinated. It was because, until the last few weeks of his life, no one had ever trained him.

It is unreasonable, to think, that Oswald, without training, should be expected to be able to drive a car.

It is unreasonable, to think, that an Indy style race car driver, and winner of the Indianapolis 500, could do well in the Monte Carlo Grand Prix, without any training in Formula One racecars.

It is unreasonable, to think, that Specialist Miller could, without being familiar with the Carcano, accurately hit a target the first time he fires some shots using the iron sights of the Carcano.



And finally, Oswald had one big advantage over Specialist Miller. Oswald had opportunities to fire a Carcaro rifle. WCC bullets come in boxes with 20 bullets each. Oswald fired one bullet at General Walker. He fired three at JFK. And one was left in the rifle. That leaves, at least 15 bullets unaccounted for. Or 35 or 55 bullets, if Oswald bought two or three boxes of WCC ammunition, which was not very expensive.

What happened to this missing 15+ bullets? Did Oswald throw them away? Likely he used them in informal target practice. In which case, he could learn that while using the iron sights, the rifle fires quite high at ranges from 50 to 100 yards. Which would prove using at the constantly rising target at Dealey Plaza he had to shoot at.

He could have also learned to forget about using the scope. Or he may never have tried out the scope, but used what he was trained to use, iron sights. But keep the scope on the rifle, because it makes him look like a more proficient assassin.

True, we have no eye witness testimony saying they saw the Oswald practice with his rifle. But his wife did say that on occasion he would take his rifle with him somewhere. She also saw him practice working the bolt of the rifle. And why would Oswald buy a rifle if not to at least do some shooting with it. And if he never practiced with it, what happened to the missing 15+ bullets?

And finally, Oswald had one advantage that Specialist Miller didn’t. Miller was firing at a stationary target, while Oswald was firing at a target that was constantly rising, at just about the right rate to compensate for the rifle firing high at under 100 yards. So, Oswald was a lot less likely to miss high.

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2022, 09:02:17 AM »

Get it now, Einstein?
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« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2022, 01:37:46 PM »
BS:

The question is why you (I.e. Oswald) would assume it wasn't stepped on when found on the garage floor?

Get it now, Einstein?


Again, I am not assuming anything, nothing, nada. Get it now numbnuts?

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« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2022, 04:45:47 PM »
Then you should have no trouble naming ”people" who store scoped rifles on garage floors for months and expect them to fire accurately.

And remember, they don't control who's messing around in the garage.

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It is you who is insinuating that someone stepped on the scope. Show us some evidence that it actually happened. Otherwise you are just “holding for Hux”.

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« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2022, 07:06:28 PM »
Nope, the BS claim came from you:

As it turns out, you couldn't come up with a single name so it has once again been confirmed you're simply FoS.

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This is Gary Craig’s claim that I responded to regarding some mysterious perceived need to sight-in the scope.


That's not exactly the point the critique is making about the reason the scope on the TSBD Carcano needed to be sighted in.

"You can't leave a rifle and scope laying around in a garage underfoot for almost 3 months,
just having brought it back from New Orleans in the back of a station wagon, and expect
to hit anything with it, unless you take the trouble to fire it and sight the scope in."


In addition the official story claims LHO broke the rifle down and carried it to work in a paper sack, then used a dime to to reassemble it. That in itself would have compromised it's accuracy.



There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that a scope would need to be re-sighted-in simply because a rifle was transported in a station wagon and stored on the floor.

Your insinuation that someone stepped on it is, without any evidence that it actually happened, without any merit whatsoever. Now, it is you who is full of it.

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« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2022, 08:13:39 PM »
Yes, he could. If he was unfamiliar with the rifle. If he didn’t know the Carcano would miss high by 5.7 inches at 88 yards.

The sort of rifles Specialist Miller was mostly familiar with would be ones that fire higher speed bullets. So, the rifle would not have to be pointed up at a high angle for it to strike a target 200 yards, or meters, away.

It’s not enough to know the distance to the target. He would also have to be familiar with the rifle.

Oswald could not, legally at least, drive an automobile, not because he was clumsy and uncoordinated. It was because, until the last few weeks of his life, no one had ever trained him.

It is unreasonable, to think, that Oswald, without training, should be expected to be able to drive a car.

It is unreasonable, to think, that an Indy style race car driver, and winner of the Indianapolis 500, could do well in the Monte Carlo Grand Prix, without any training in Formula One racecars.

It is unreasonable, to think, that Specialist Miller could, without being familiar with the Carcano, accurately hit a target the first time he fires some shots using the iron sights of the Carcano.



And finally, Oswald had one big advantage over Specialist Miller. Oswald had opportunities to fire a Carcaro rifle. WCC bullets come in boxes with 20 bullets each. Oswald fired one bullet at General Walker. He fired three at JFK. And one was left in the rifle. That leaves, at least 15 bullets unaccounted for. Or 35 or 55 bullets, if Oswald bought two or three boxes of WCC ammunition, which was not very expensive.

What happened to this missing 15+ bullets? Did Oswald throw them away? Likely he used them in informal target practice. In which case, he could learn that while using the iron sights, the rifle fires quite high at ranges from 50 to 100 yards. Which would prove using at the constantly rising target at Dealey Plaza he had to shoot at.

He could have also learned to forget about using the scope. Or he may never have tried out the scope, but used what he was trained to use, iron sights. But keep the scope on the rifle, because it makes him look like a more proficient assassin.

True, we have no eye witness testimony saying they saw the Oswald practice with his rifle. But his wife did say that on occasion he would take his rifle with him somewhere. She also saw him practice working the bolt of the rifle. And why would Oswald buy a rifle if not to at least do some shooting with it. And if he never practiced with it, what happened to the missing 15+ bullets?

And finally, Oswald had one advantage that Specialist Miller didn’t. Miller was firing at a stationary target, while Oswald was firing at a target that was constantly rising, at just about the right rate to compensate for the rifle firing high at under 100 yards. So, Oswald was a lot less likely to miss high.

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