Did Oswalds rifle scope ever have shims?

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Online Gerry Down

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Did Oswalds rifle scope ever have shims?
« on: June 28, 2022, 09:06:53 PM »
According to the FBI, Oswalds rifle scope was so misaligned that they had to place metal shims under the scope in order to be able to zero-in the rifle. And no shims were ever found among Oswalds possessions. The question then is did Oswald ever use metal shims at all? For example, did the rifle come to Oswald with the scope misaligned already and this is why Oswald missed Walker when he tried to shoot him? Perhaps the scope was aligned properly but only became misaligned in the journey in Ruth Paines car from New Orleans to Dallas, and so Oswald never got the chance to get shims or make sure the rifle was zeroed in before he shot JFK (because he never got a chance to test fire the rifle in Dallas before the assassination). A scope can become misaligned in transit:


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Re: Did Oswalds rifle scope ever have shims?
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2022, 09:57:45 PM »
Oswald's bullet deflected off the window frame otherwise Walker would have been hit.  There is no way to know whether any misalignment existed at the time of the JFK assassination.  The rifle was dropped by Oswald in the aftermath and the scope was actually removed to search the rifle for prints before it was tested for accuracy.  Even if a misalignment existed, a shooter trained in the USMC could simply have compensated for the known misalignment.

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Re: Did Oswalds rifle scope ever have shims?
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2022, 10:42:17 PM »
"Oswald's rifle scope" - - LOL

More downtime with Gerry.

At least get your facts straight before you start rambling.

I thought this statement was hilarious!      Oswald never got the chance to get shims or make sure the rifle was zeroed in before he shot JFK (because he never got a chance to test fire the rifle in Dallas before the assassination). ROTFLMAO

The Clown says that :   " According to the FBI, Oswalds rifle scope was so misaligned that they had to place metal shims under the scope in order to be able to zero-in the rifle. "

IOW  Nobody could have shot JFK with that Carcano because the scope could not be zeroed without placing shims under the scope mount.   BUT Wait!....  He believes that Oswald was the assassin and could accurately fire that carcano with the misaligned scope.....ROTFLMAO!

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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2022, 11:14:38 PM »
IOW  Nobody could have shot JFK with that Carcano because the scope could not be zeroed without placing shims under the scope mount.   BUT Wait!....  He believes that Oswald was the assassin and could accurately fire that carcano with the misaligned scope.....ROTFLMAO!

I believe he used the iron sights. That was his only choice as regardless of shims at all, Oswald would have known that disassembling a rifle, placing it in a paper bag, and then assembling it inside the TSBD would mean the scope could not be trusted as it had not been zeroed in in its assembled state which is the only way to zero in a rifle.

But the scope as the FBI found it needed to have shims. Did Oswald have shims prior to the assassination or is it possible that Ruth Paine damaged the rifle scope in her car and therefore while the rifle initially might not have needed shims, after Ruth Paines car journey the rifle would now require shims.

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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2022, 11:59:18 PM »
I believe he used the iron sights. That was his only choice as regardless of shims at all, Oswald would have known that disassembling a rifle, placing it in a paper bag, and then assembling it inside the TSBD would mean the scope could not be trusted as it had not been zeroed in in its assembled state which is the only way to zero in a rifle.

But the scope as the FBI found it needed to have shims. Did Oswald have shims prior to the assassination or is it possible that Ruth Paine damaged the rifle scope in her car and therefore while the rifle initially might not have needed shims, after Ruth Paines car journey the rifle would now require shims.

I believe he used the iron sights. That was his only choice as regardless of shims at all, Oswald would have known that disassembling a rifle, placing it in a paper bag, and then assembling it inside the TSBD would mean the scope could not be trusted as it had not been zeroed in in its assembled state which is the only way to zero in a rifle.

If I understand your "reasoning"..... You believe the WR, and that Lee Oswald was the assassin. And you further believe that he knew that the scope was worthless as an aid to firing the rifle accurately..... But he kept that worthless piece of junk attached to the rifle even though it increased the weight and bulkiness of the rifle, which made it more difficult to conceal and transport. And you clearly believe that an assassin could simply  pickup that rifle and use the iron sights and rely on them to be adjusted accurately.    Are you drunk?

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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2022, 12:00:53 AM »
And you clearly believe that an assassin could simply  pickup that rifle and use the iron sights and rely on them to be adjusted accurately.    Are you drunk?
There is no adjustment for iron sights. They are fixed on the rifle.

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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2022, 12:26:19 AM »
There is no adjustment for iron sights. They are fixed on the rifle.

So....What's the correct sight picture for the iron sights on a Carcano model 91/38?

Could the average American pick up a carcano and hit the bullseye at 100 yards?

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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2022, 01:00:11 AM »
I believe he used the iron sights. That was his only choice as regardless of shims at all, Oswald would have known that disassembling a rifle, placing it in a paper bag, and then assembling it inside the TSBD would mean the scope could not be trusted as it had not been zeroed in in its assembled state which is the only way to zero in a rifle.

But the scope as the FBI found it needed to have shims. Did Oswald have shims prior to the assassination or is it possible that Ruth Paine damaged the rifle scope in her car and therefore while the rifle initially might not have needed shims, after Ruth Paines car journey the rifle would now require shims.

I believe he used the iron sights. That was his only choice as regardless of shims at all, Oswald would have known that disassembling a rifle, placing it in a paper bag, and then assembling it inside the TSBD would mean the scope could not be trusted as it had not been zeroed in in its assembled state which is the only way to zero in a rifle.

HOW, ??... would Lee have known that disassembling the rifle, placing it in a paper bag, transporting it, and then putting it back together again would require a re-zeroing of the scope?   There's no record of Lee ever using a rifle with a telescopic sight...So HOW would he have known??

But let's say he was aware of that problem....   And if he was, then he would have known that he would have to fire the rifle using the scope and examine the target, to determine what he would need to do to zero the scope.  If Lee had been the assassin using that Carcano.... and he knew the scope was worthless, then he could easily have removed the scope.... 

I'd suggest that you give up the idea that Lee Oswald was the assassin who was brilliant on one hand and an idiot on the other.


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Re: Did Oswalds rifle scope ever have shims?
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2022, 01:10:44 AM »
Oswald's bullet deflected off the window frame otherwise Walker would have been hit.  There is no way to know whether any misalignment existed at the time of the JFK assassination.  The rifle was dropped by Oswald in the aftermath and the scope was actually removed to search the rifle for prints before it was tested for accuracy.  Even if a misalignment existed, a shooter trained in the USMC could simply have compensated for the known misalignment.

Oswald's bullet deflected off the window frame otherwise Walker would have been hit.

So you think that flimsy window sash was effective in deflecting  a 30mm ( !.19" ) long  160 grain FMJ bullet? 

Why don't you take that idea to the government.....and tell them that our troops and Police officers don't need that heavy body armor....   All they need as some cedar  window sash ......

There is no way to know whether any misalignment existed at the time of the JFK assassination.  The rifle was dropped by Oswald in the aftermath and the scope was actually removed to search the rifle for prints before it was tested for accuracy.  Even if a misalignment existed, a shooter trained in the USMC could simply have compensated for the known misalignment.

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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2022, 01:42:00 AM »
Oswald's bullet deflected off the window frame otherwise Walker would have been hit.  There is no way to know whether any misalignment existed at the time of the JFK assassination.  The rifle was dropped by Oswald in the aftermath and the scope was actually removed to search the rifle for prints before it was tested for accuracy.  Even if a misalignment existed, a shooter trained in the USMC could simply have compensated for the known misalignment.

 Even if a misalignment existed, a shooter trained in the USMC could simply have compensated for the known misalignment.

Please post verification that Lee Oswald was even introduced to a scope mounted rifle while in the USMC..... The USMC never trained it's recruits to use rifles with telescopic sights....so how would Lee have known how to compensate for a misaligned scope?    A person can compensate for a slight misalignment of a telescopic sight when firing at a fixed target....But not even an expert could  fire a rifle with a misaligned sight at a MOVING  target that was behind a tree 50 yards away.

Please keep presenting your absurd ideas..... Many of us need a good belly laugh...

 

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