Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?

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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2022, 03:11:43 AM »


The CT version of this would have everyone but LHO saying that to each other….  :D

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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2022, 04:58:23 AM »
The CT version of this would have everyone but LHO saying that to each other….  :D

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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2022, 05:41:36 AM »


They just went with the FBI cover-up report that was concluded less than a month after the assassination.

Either you are joking or you are just completely unaware of what took place in this investigation.
Where is the joke? And Collins...Cut the crap.

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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2022, 05:41:36 AM »

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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2022, 07:28:37 AM »
Absolutely, since they already knew the conclusion when the "investigation" began.
Basically, that's what I stated earlier but I am apparently "unaware" of whatever.
As far as the Rockefeller and the Church Committee stuff...I suppose Mr Galbraith has thoroughly read these reports and could share some insight that the Warren gang did not supply.
The FBI and CIA investigated themselves and found nothing wrong.
"CBS and NBC investigations"? What witnesses did they call that we don't know about?
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How many investigations are needed?
Answer= one still needed.

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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2022, 01:14:20 PM »
Where is the joke? And Collins...Cut the crap.

First of all, as you’ve just seen, on December 16 the Warren Commission came to the conclusion that it could not rely exclusively on the reports of the FBI and other federal agencies to reach its conclusions. In fact, even before this, on December 13 the Commission obtained the necessary powers to conduct its own independent investigation with the enactment of Senate Joint Resolution 137,55 which empowered the Commission to issue subpoenas requiring the testimony of witnesses and the production of documentary evidence. The resolution also gave the Commission the power to grant immunity and thereby force the testimony of witnesses who invoked their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.56 The Commission never had occasion to grant immunity. Pursuant to these powers, the Warren Commission, by itself and independent of the FBI, took the sworn testimony of 489 witnesses, many in great depth. (This hardly constitutes relying exclusively on the FBI.) Of these 489 witnesses, 94 testified before one or more members of the Commission itself, and 395 were questioned in depositions by members of the Commission’s staff, with the Commission members not being present. In addition, 61 witnesses gave sworn affidavits and 2 gave statements, for a total of 552 witnesses. More than 3,100 exhibits were received into evidence.57* Although Commission member John McCloy complained early on, and before the taking of any testimony, that the Commission was “so dependent on them [FBI] for the facts,”58 if examining 489 witnesses under oath is not conducting an independent investigation, then what is?   Vincent Bugliosi - Reclaiming History

If you are interested in learning what was said by the WC in their December 16th meeting, here is another quote from Reclaiming History:

At its next meeting, on December 16, after Supreme Court justice Stanley F. Reed administered an oath to all its members, the Commission set about to determine the scope of the investigation. The first order of business was to consider the FBI’s summary report. “Well, gentlemen,” the chief justice said to his fellow Commission members, “I have read that report two or three times and I have not seen anything in there yet that has not been in the press.” “I couldn’t agree with that more,” Senator Richard Russell said. “Practically everything in there has come out in the press at one time or another, a bit here and a bit there.” But that wasn’t the biggest problem. It was the obvious deficiency of the report, mostly attributable, John McCloy said, to the fact that “they [FBI] put this thing together very fast.” Representative Hale Boggs pointed out that, remarkably, “There’s nothing in [the report] about Governor Connally.” Senator John Cooper: “And whether or not they found any bullets in him.” After reading the report, McCloy said that “this bullet business leaves me confused.” “It’s totally inconclusive,” opined Chief Justice Warren. Representative Gerald Ford: “[The report] was interesting to read but it did not have the depth that it ought to have.” There were so many unanswered questions. For instance, Representative Boggs observed, “There is still little on this fellow Ruby, including his movements, what he was doing, how he got in there [City Hall basement garage].” Warren: “His relations with the police department.” Boggs: “Exactly.” Talking about the issue of precisely what took place among the occupants of the presidential limousine at the time of the shooting, Warren said, “I wonder if the report we get from the Secret Service wouldn’t pretty much clear that up…They were there, right at the car, and know exactly what happened.” Representative Boggs: “Well, this FBI report doesn’t clear it up.” Warren: “It doesn’t do anything.” Boggs: “It raises a lot of new questions in my mind.” General Counsel Rankin summed up the feelings of practically all of the Commission members when he noted that “the report has so many holes in it. Anybody can look at it and see that it just doesn’t seem like they’re looking for things that this Commission has to look for in order to get the answers that it wants and it’s entitled to.”49 Very momentously, it was during this December 16 session that the Commission decided it could not rely solely on the FBI report or reports from any of the other federal agencies either. “After studying this [FBI] report,” Chief Justice Warren said, “unless we have the raw materials [i.e., interviews, affidavits, recordings, photographs, etc.] that went into the making of the report and have an opportunity to examine those raw materials and make our own appraisal, any appraisal of this report would be [worth] little or nothing.” Warren went on to move “that the Commission request at once from all investigative agencies and departments of the Government the raw materials on which their reports to the Commission are based,” and his motion was seconded and adopted.    Vincent Bugliosi - Reclaiming History
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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2022, 05:03:31 PM »
First of all, as you’ve just seen, on December 16 the Warren Commission came to the conclusion that it could not rely exclusively on the reports of the FBI and other federal agencies to reach its conclusions.
But they did anyway.
The investigation of the president's murder and also the policeman was legally the responsibility of the Attorney General of Texas.
LBJ could not afford to have that.
Mentioned is Jack Ruby. He provided to the Report- his own account of his whereabouts during those days.
The Commission accepted Ruby's self declared alibis even though they were all obvious lies and contradicted by other persons.
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According to expert witnesses, exacting tests conducted for the Commission demonstrated that it was possible to fire three shots from the rifle within 5.5 seconds.
Not mentioned is could someone actually hit anything at the required distance.
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-Oswald qualified as a sharpshooter and a marksman with the M-1 rifle in the Marine Corps. Marina Oswald testified that in New Orleans her husband practiced operating the belt of the rifle. Moreover, experts stated that the scope was a substantial aid for rapid, accurate firing. The Commission concluded that Oswald had the capability with a rifle to commit assassination
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-12.html
Just like the FBI said he did.

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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2022, 05:10:57 PM »
But they did anyway.
The investigation of the president's murder and also the policeman was legally the responsibility of the Attorney General of Texas.
LBJ could not afford to have that.
Mentioned is Jack Ruby. He provided to the Report- his own account of his whereabouts during those days.
The Commission accepted Ruby's self declared alibis even though they were all obvious lies and contradicted by other persons.Not mentioned is could someone actually hit anything at the required distance.https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-12.html
Just like the FBI said he did.

That's odd logic.  There was no legal obligation by the federal government to conduct ANY investigation into the assassination. The fact that they conducted an extensive investigation when none was legally required suggests that rather than attempting to cover up anything that they were seeking to shed light on the event.  Nothing that the WC did precluded Texas or the AG from continuing to investigate the crime.  They, however, were satisfied, based on the overwhelming evidence, that LHO was responsible for the crime.  A conclusion that has is unchanged until today.  As a result, there was nothing for them to investigate.

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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2022, 05:17:36 PM »
That's odd logic.  There was no legal obligation by the federal government to conduct ANY investigation into the assassination. The fact that they conducted an extensive investigation when none was legally required suggests that rather than attempting to cover up anything that they were seeking to shed light on the event.  Nothing that the WC did precluded Texas or the AG from continuing to investigate the crime.  They, however, were satisfied, based on the overwhelming evidence, that LHO was responsible for the crime.  A conclusion that has is unchanged until today.  As a result, there was nothing for them to investigate.
That's really odd logic.
How do you know who was "satisfied"?
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Be "overwhelmed" if it makes you happy.

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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2022, 09:42:46 PM »
The way Richard Smith is ganged up on reveals just how big a problem he is to Oswald arse kissers.

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Re: Why didn't the WC issue an interim report?
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2022, 10:00:39 PM »
That's really odd logic.
How do you know who was "satisfied"?Be "overwhelmed" if it makes you happy.

How do I know that the Texas authorities were satisfied that Oswald assassinated JFK?  They said so based on the evidence.  Why do you think the WC somehow precluded the Texas authorities from pursuing the investigation?

 

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