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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Question about Dealey Plaza Witnesses.
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2022, 10:34:12 PM »
I think you have good advice. In the future, I will try to ignore responses that seem designed to dodge the question, like bringing up unrelated posts from months ago, and just look for answers.

And to clarify, naturally none of the witnesses at Dealey Plaza noticed the 1/18 th of a second forward head movement of two inches between z312-z313. But the movement I was asking about was the backwards motion from z313-z318 of about ten inches (as I recall). It seems that none of the Dealey Plaza witnesses noticed this at the time. So, it seems reasonable that Dan Rather would also not notice this from his one time viewing of the Zapruder film. Despite what others said, I don't think Dan Rather 'knew' ahead of time exactly what he was going to see in the film and, like the Dealey Plaza witnesses, was so shocked by the head explosion that he did not notice or remember the slow (maximum speed of just under 2 mph) motion of the head and torso backwards during z313-z318.

And on another note, some might claim that Dan Rather did see the brief forward motion of 312-312 of two inches. I don't think that would be possible from a one=time, real time, viewing of the Zapruder film. Certainly highly implausible. It was likely the subconscious of Dan Rather figuring out what he should have seen, not what he actually saw. A common sort of error that people make from a one time viewing of an event, whether in person or on film.

Okay, I think that I understand your question better now, thanks. And I tend to agree with your assessment. But I would appreciate it if you would refresh my memory regarding when, where, and the circumstances of the viewing that Dan Rather had that you are referring to. Thanks!

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Re: Question about Dealey Plaza Witnesses.
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Offline Paul J Cummings

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Re: Question about Dealey Plaza Witnesses.
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2022, 10:37:30 PM »
Dan Rather watched the Zapruder film when it came out the night of the assassination. I believe he did so with FBI and Secret Service.

Okay, I think that I understand your question better now, thanks. And I tend to agree with your assessment. But I would appreciate it if you would refresh my memory regarding when, where, and the circumstances of the viewing that Dan Rather had that you are referring to. Thanks!

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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Question about Dealey Plaza Witnesses.
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2022, 11:36:12 PM »
I think you have good advice. In the future, I will try to ignore responses that seem designed to dodge the question, like bringing up unrelated posts from months ago, and just look for answers.

And to clarify, naturally none of the witnesses at Dealey Plaza noticed the 1/18 th of a second forward head movement of two inches between z312-z313. But the movement I was asking about was the backwards motion from z313-z318 of about ten inches (as I recall). It seems that none of the Dealey Plaza witnesses noticed this at the time. So, it seems reasonable that Dan Rather would also not notice this from his one time viewing of the Zapruder film. Despite what others said, I don't think Dan Rather 'knew' ahead of time exactly what he was going to see in the film and, like the Dealey Plaza witnesses, was so shocked by the head explosion that he did not notice or remember the slow (maximum speed of just under 2 mph) motion of the head and torso backwards during z313-z318.

And on another note, some might claim that Dan Rather did see the brief forward motion of 312-312 of two inches. I don't think that would be possible from a one=time, real time, viewing of the Zapruder film. Certainly highly implausible. It was likely the subconscious of Dan Rather figuring out what he should have seen, not what he actually saw. A common sort of error that people make from a one time viewing of an event, whether in person or on film.

I think you have good advice. In the future, I will try to ignore responses that seem designed to dodge the question, like bringing up unrelated posts from months ago, and just look for answers.

Very disappointing. First of all, my response was not designed to dodge the question at all. I merely asked you what the purpose of it was (I now know and it was exactly as I expected). You then asked me why I assumed 'bad intent' from a LNer and I answered with two examples. Now you complain that I brought up "unrelated posts from months ago" but how else, but with examples, was I going to answer that question?

This "us against them" thing LNs have is all over this thread. No need to pretend otherwise. It's beyond obvious to see.

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Re: Question about Dealey Plaza Witnesses.
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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Question about Dealey Plaza Witnesses.
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2022, 12:10:51 AM »
how in the world can you come to any conclusion if you haven't looked into it very much?

Damn if that doesnít describe most followers of the WC dogma.

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Re: Question about Dealey Plaza Witnesses.
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2022, 12:13:52 AM »
This is a simple question that deserves a reasonable response. But instead, we see an unreasonable relentless attack on Joe.

Itís not an attack to point out that he is attempting to set up a false equivalence.

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Re: Question about Dealey Plaza Witnesses.
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Re: Question about Dealey Plaza Witnesses.
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2022, 01:02:03 AM »
Either Oswald looked like the guy with the gun around 10th & Patton or he didn't


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Re: Question about Dealey Plaza Witnesses.
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2022, 01:53:36 AM »
Damn if that doesnít describe most followers of the WC dogma.

CTer/JAQer/OAKer/ICer/TAEer dogma

Nothing is knowable
Nothing is provable
Nothing is believable
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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Question about Dealey Plaza Witnesses.
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2022, 01:56:52 AM »
CTer/JAQer/OAKer/TAEer dogma

Nothing is knowable
Nothing is provable
Nothing is believable

Addition;

If all LNs are like Chapman, the're all idiots
« Last Edit: June 24, 2022, 02:53:05 AM by Martin Weidmann »

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Question about Dealey Plaza Witnesses.
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2022, 02:13:59 AM »
Addition;

If all LNs are like Chapman, their all idiots

'their'

LOL So you make yet another typo and I'm the idiot HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
COMEDY PLATINUM!

Dopey bugger

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Re: Question about Dealey Plaza Witnesses.
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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Question about Dealey Plaza Witnesses.
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2022, 02:52:18 AM »
'their'

LOL So you make yet another typo and I'm the idiot HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
COMEDY PLATINUM!

Dopey bugger

So, I made a typo. Compared to you being born, that's nothing

Of course you are the idiot. So much so that if I told you are sane, you would probably argue against it.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2022, 02:54:25 AM by Martin Weidmann »

 

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