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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald Probably Did It
« Reply #110 on: March 16, 2018, 03:27:29 PM »
Sorry Iacoletti but we aren't in court, you aren't Oswald's defence Lawyer, you aren't a Judge and as this websites Forum title says we are here to determine who assassinated JFK therefore it's real simple, if you suggest there was a conspiracy to kill JFK then it's up to you to provide evidence to support a conspiracy.

And Mytton does not understand burden of proof.  It has nothing to do with a courtroom.  I didn't suggest there was a conspiracy.  You however claim that Oswald killed JFK.  It's up to you to provide evidence for your claim instead of demanding that people prove you wrong.

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Oswald Probably Did It
« Reply #111 on: March 16, 2018, 03:53:37 PM »
John, I strongly agree with you, it is very wishy-washy that it was supposedly Oswald who killed Kennedy I have found numerous books and websites explaining how it was Johnson and his associates that did it.

Better to rely on some real information instead of an Internet krank.  How about reading, for example, Robert Caro's book "Passage of Power"?  Caro is the foremost historian on LBJ.  He has said many critical things about Johnson but found no credible evidence whatsoever of his involvement in the JFK assassination - which is a wild, baseless, and outlandish claim predicated apparently only on the basis that LBJ apparently stood to benefit from JFK's death.  Even the History Channel which runs almost nothing but UFO programs wouldn't air a documentary alleging LBJ was behind the assassination because it was so far removed from reality.  It is an absurd fringe theory.

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Re: Oswald Probably Did It
« Reply #112 on: March 16, 2018, 04:19:14 PM »
Better to rely on some real information instead of an Internet krank.  How about reading, for example, Robert Caro's book "Passage of Power"?  Caro is the foremost historian on LBJ.  He has said many critical things about Johnson but found no credible evidence whatsoever of his involvement in the JFK assassination - which is a wild, baseless, and outlandish claim predicated apparently only on the basis that LBJ apparently stood to benefit from JFK's death.  Even the History Channel which runs almost nothing but UFO programs wouldn't air a documentary alleging LBJ was behind the assassination because it was so far removed from reality.  It is an absurd fringe theory.

"After tomorrow those goddamn Kennedys will never embarrass me again"

Offline Wesley Johnson

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« Reply #113 on: March 16, 2018, 04:23:23 PM »
Carlos Marcello said, "the only way three people can keep a secret is if two of them are dead".

Mark Twain (or was it Lord Byron) said "truth is stranger than fiction", so what is your point?

And in view of the fact that you seem to dispute every bit of evidence against Oswald it would take a small army to coordinate and plant all of this tainted evidence


Really, so you lack the imagination to understand how that could have worked?

Btw where did you get the notion that I dispute every bit of evidence when I have accepted the BY photos as authentic. You seem to be all the place with wild claims....why is that?

so part of what you would have me believe is that in three days your hand full of people could implement their "master plan" as you call it without anyone getting suspicious?

Who said anything about three days? The rifle and revolver were allegedly bought in early 1963, weren't they?

Since you don't know much about rifles it is pointless to continue.

Huh? Continue with what?

Is this false "appeal to authority" the latest strategy for not discussing the claims you make but can't support with evidence?

Okay Martin so you say the backyard photos are real. Good for you. I really find it strange that so many of you dispute the evidence but then try and claim "you never said there was a conspiracy". WTF. Okay, you question the evidence, so for the sake of fun, let's say I'm leaning your way. Tell me, what do you think really happened? Any ideas? And you guys keep saying I don't name the evidence. What? You are not children are you? I will state once again, as I have else where, I believe in the evidence that was gathered by the DPD, SS, FBI and whoever else found any evidence. Do I have to spell it out? The rifle, the bullet, the fragments, the bag, the prints, shell casings, revolver, etc. etc,. etc. Clear enough? And I know you question it. Okay, tell me what you think happened.

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Re: Oswald Probably Did It
« Reply #114 on: March 16, 2018, 04:43:43 PM »
Okay Martin so you say the backyard photos are real. Good for you. I really find it strange that so many of you dispute the evidence but then try and claim "you never said there was a conspiracy". WTF.

WTF, indeed.  Do you think the only two possibilities are:

- Oswald did it
- There was a conspiracy

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Okay, you question the evidence, so for the sake of fun, let's say I'm leaning your way. Tell me, what do you think really happened? Any ideas? And you guys keep saying I don't name the evidence. What? You are not children are you? I will state once again, as I have else where, I believe in the evidence that was gathered by the DPD, SS, FBI and whoever else found any evidence. Do I have to spell it out? The rifle, the bullet, the fragments, the bag, the prints, shell casings, revolver, etc. etc,. etc. Clear enough?

No, of course it's not clear enough.  What about the rifle, the bullet, the fragments, the bag, the prints, shell casings, revolver tells you that Oswald killed JFK?  Be specific.  C'mon Wesley, you've been studying this case for decades.
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Re: Oswald Probably Did It
« Reply #115 on: March 16, 2018, 04:50:34 PM »
WTF, indeed.  Do you think the only two possibilities are:

- Oswald did it
- There was a conspiracy

No, of course it's not clear enough.  What about the rifle, the bullet, the fragments, the bag, the prints, shell casings, revolver tells you that Oswald killed JFK?  Be specific.  C'mon Wesley, you've been studying this case for decades.
No John. Not going to play that game. You know exactly what tests were performed on that evidence, and by whom, as well as I. I will ask again. What do you think happened.

 Oswald did it
- There was a conspiracy


So tell me some 3rd or 4th possibilities John? You posted that so you indicate there are more possibilities. What are they?

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Re: Oswald Probably Did It
« Reply #116 on: March 16, 2018, 04:58:01 PM »
No John. Not going to play that game.

Of course not.  That would require that you actually understand the evidence.

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You know exactly what tests were performed on that evidence, and by whom, as well as I.

Yes I do.  Which is why I wonder why you think it proves that Oswald killed Kennedy.

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I will ask again. What do you think happened.

 Oswald did it
- There was a conspiracy


So tell me some 3rd or 4th possibilities John? You posted that so you indicate there are more possibilities. What are they?

Sure.  It's possible that somebody else killed Kennedy.

What's possible is not all that interesting.  Lots of things are possible.  I care about what can be proven with evidence.  Which is not much, unfortunately.

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Re: Oswald Probably Did It
« Reply #117 on: March 16, 2018, 05:11:19 PM »
Of course not.  That would require that you actually understand the evidence.

Yes I do.  Which is why I wonder why you think it proves that Oswald killed Kennedy.

Sure.  It's possible that somebody else killed Kennedy.

What's possible is not all that interesting.  Lots of things are possible.  I care about what can be proven with evidence.  Which is not much, unfortunately.

Oh, I understand the evidence John.

Sure.  It's possible that somebody else killed Kennedy.

Come on John, you're being a bit simplistic here. If someone else killed Kennedy other than Oswald, and all the evidence indicates Oswald did it, then that means the evidence was planted by someone and by definition would mean a conspiracy. Come on man. When you make statements like that John it makes me question your common sense.

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Re: Oswald Probably Did It
« Reply #118 on: March 16, 2018, 06:10:07 PM »
Oh, I understand the evidence John.

Sure.  It's possible that somebody else killed Kennedy.

Come on John, you're being a bit simplistic here. If someone else killed Kennedy other than Oswald, and all the evidence indicates Oswald did it,

What evidence indicates that Oswald did it?

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then that means the evidence was planted by someone and by definition would mean a conspiracy. Come on man. When you make statements like that John it makes me question your common sense.

"Common sense" as defined by agreeing with your opinions?  Authentic evidence can be misrepresented and misinterpreted.  Which is what you're doing.  I'm still waiting for you to explain your claim that there is ballistic evidence pointing to Oswald.

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Re: Oswald Probably Did It
« Reply #119 on: March 16, 2018, 07:16:25 PM »
Okay Martin so you say the backyard photos are real. Good for you. I really find it strange that so many of you dispute the evidence but then try and claim "you never said there was a conspiracy". WTF. Okay, you question the evidence, so for the sake of fun, let's say I'm leaning your way. Tell me, what do you think really happened? Any ideas? And you guys keep saying I don't name the evidence. What? You are not children are you? I will state once again, as I have else where, I believe in the evidence that was gathered by the DPD, SS, FBI and whoever else found any evidence. Do I have to spell it out? The rifle, the bullet, the fragments, the bag, the prints, shell casings, revolver, etc. etc,. etc. Clear enough? And I know you question it. Okay, tell me what you think happened.

Okay, you question the evidence, so for the sake of fun, let's say I'm leaning your way. Tell me, what do you think really happened?

Sorry, I'm not like you. I don't first think what happened and then look for only the evidence to support that theory.

I believe in the evidence that was gathered by the DPD, SS, FBI and whoever else found any evidence. Do I have to spell it out? The rifle, the bullet, the fragments, the bag, the prints, shell casings, revolver, etc. etc,. etc. Clear enough? And I know you question it.

Yes, and it is being questioned for good reasons, which is why somebody like you needs to explain why you believe what you believe and why you ignore, dismiss and overlook anything that causes doubt about the quality of the evidence.

 

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