The Assassination and Mrs. Paine

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Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #90 on: July 15, 2022, 05:00:38 PM »
Thanks. Garrison's "propinquity" without any connection or proximity between/among the individuals. In other words, nothing.

Didn't Paine's mother know Bancroft in college before she (Bancroft) became Dulles's mistress? Did she know Bancroft at the time of this affair? As if that matters. And how the heck would Michael Paine know a friend of his mother knew Dulles? Again, as if that matters. In any case, as you point out, there's no evidence that Dulles knew Michael or Ruth Paine much less they were "well-known" to him.

This is a classic example of how some (too many noted ones) conspiracists need to expand their conspiracy when new evidence is found. Does it fit? It doesn't matter, it's just more kindling for the conspiracy bonfire, a fire they just need to keep burning decade after decade. It's not about resolving what happened (although they think they have); it's now a game to keep things going. On and on....

Just to add: Talbot also says RFK was murdered by the assassins of JFK to prevent him from revealing the conspiracy. But of course.

It's not about resolving what happened (although they think they have); it's now a game to keep things going.
_'CT Bonfire of the Vanities' in other words. Nailed it.

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« Reply #91 on: July 15, 2022, 05:08:04 PM »
Their "evidence" is that Michael Paine's mother knew Mary Bancroft who was a mistress of Dulles. But the actual evidence that Ruth or Michael knew Dulles is zero. White mice? I don't know-maybe Talbot thinks they were experiments that Dulles was running? Again-no evidence.


White mice?





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« Reply #92 on: July 15, 2022, 05:20:18 PM »
It seems Talbot's "white mice" reference/metaphor was about this (fasten your seat belt, it's going to be rough). This is from his book on Dulles, "The Devil's Chessboard", pg. 135.

"But even the sophisticated Mary [Bancroft] found herself unnerved by one of her conversations with Dulles. She had observed that despite his cunning reputation, Allen always seemed so 'open and trusting' even with people about whom he clearly harbored suspicions or whom he 'actually had the goods on.' As he listened to Mary, Dulles grinned. 'I like to watch the little mice sniffing at the cheese just before they venture into their little trap', he told her. 'I like to see their expressions when it snaps shut, breaking their little necks.'

Elsewhere in the book he refers again to what he calls "little mice" - people that were covert operatives, agents and assets (many unwitting) - that he says Dulles used and discarded (the "little traps") during WWII and the Cold War.

Since Talbot believes Dulles was the mastermind behind the assassination, he argues that the Paines were some of these "mice" that he used/trapped to help kill JFK and frame Oswald.
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« Reply #93 on: July 15, 2022, 10:51:03 PM »
It seems Talbot's "white mice" reference/metaphor was about this. This is from his book on Dulles, "The Devil's Chessboard", pg. 135.

Thanks. I never have gotten around to reading the whole book. I can see what I have been missing after the excerpt you posted.  ::)

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« Reply #94 on: July 15, 2022, 11:55:25 PM »
Thanks. I never have gotten around to reading the whole book. I can see what I have been missing after the excerpt you posted.  ::)
It's definitely a classic..

Yep, I spent about 30 minutes or so looking that up. Would have been better time spent rearranging the socks in my dresser. Stone's movie, Garrison's "Heritage of Stone", the DiEugenio fantasies....it's crazy out there.

 

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« Reply #96 on: July 21, 2022, 05:55:54 PM »
Did Ruth Paine incriminate LHO?
http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2022/07/the-assassination-and-mrs-paine-part.html

If Ruth Paine were part of some effort to frame Oswald, she would undoubtedly have said things like Oswald hated JFK, kept a rifle in her garage, seemed nervous or agitated on the night before the assassination, and carried a long bag as he left the house that morning.  None of which she did.  The CTer hatred of Paine is perplexing since she really didn't provide much evidence that linked Oswald to the crime.

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« Reply #97 on: July 21, 2022, 06:44:38 PM »
If Ruth Paine were part of some effort to frame Oswald, she would undoubtedly have said things like Oswald hated JFK, kept a rifle in her garage, seemed nervous or agitated on the night before the assassination, and carried a long bag as he left the house that morning.  None of which she did.  The CTer hatred of Paine is perplexing since she really didn't provide much evidence that linked Oswald to the crime.

Good point. I'll get into that in part two I expect.

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« Reply #98 on: July 21, 2022, 07:18:53 PM »
Good point. I'll get into that in part two I expect.
I guess I should order/watch the movie (I've wasted enough money on these conspiracy books and works; when I was younger it was spent on women now it's this: somebody's getting taken advantage of) but does Max Good or anyone raise these questions? Consider them? Or try to answer them? Apparently no.

It seems obvious to us that if they were CIA assets/agents ordered to frame Oswald that connecting him directly to the rifle and providing a motive would be two things they would be ordered to do. Get that rifle in Oswald's hands. Get his hands on that rifle. But as Richard said they did neither of these things. Nothing about seeing a rifle, nothing about expressing hatred towards JFK.

How can you say they were part of this horrible act (it's treason for crissake) and not address these two critical questions?
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« Reply #99 on: July 21, 2022, 07:26:24 PM »
but does Max Good or anyone raise these questions? Consider them? Or try to answer them? It seems not.

No, Good plays the usual conspiracy game of mentioning the allegation (or inconsistency or whatever) and then moving on. Only occasionally does he let the LN talking heads respond and then it is usually only briefly.

 

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