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Offline Rick Plant

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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2022, 03:47:54 AM »
A criminal probe has been opened into deletion of Secret Service Jan. 6 text messages.

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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2022, 05:10:14 AM »
A criminal probe has been opened into deletion of Secret Service Jan. 6 text messages.

I suspect the test messages were deleted, not to protect Trump, but to protect certain Secret Service Agents. Likely texts related to instructions (ultimately from Trump) to drive Pence from the Capitol and keep him away "for his own safety". Then the process of certifying Biden's victory would be thrown into chaos. Possibly Trump could be certified as the winner, or at least the certificates sent back to the states, throwing things into chaos.

The DOJ just instructed the Secret Service not to continue their search for the deleted text messages. This makes sense. If the Secret Service found a backup of these messages, they would probably just delete them. Asking them to find the messages is like asking the main suspects of a burglary to go into a house and collect evidence. They would probably just put on gloves and proceed to wipe down everything to remove fingerprints. Some other agency needs to do conduct this search, not them.

What we are supposed to believe is the Secret Service just happened to switch equipment, which resulted in the January 5 and 6 messages being deleted. Then in late January, they got instructions to save these messages. But they kept silent about these messages had just be erased. If they had immediately informed congress the messages had been erased, copies likely would have been found on various servers. Now, after 18 months, maybe this is no longer possible.

Clearly the Secret Service is up to no good. Maybe there is not enough evidence for criminal charges. But everyone who was, or may have been involved in deleting these messages, needs to be fired. We can't have agents whose loyalty to the Constitution is questionable.
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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2022, 10:42:44 AM »
I suspect the test messages were deleted, not to protect Trump, but to protect certain Secret Service Agents. Likely texts related to instructions (ultimately from Trump) to drive Pence from the Capitol and keep him away "for his own safety". Then the process of certifying Biden's victory would be thrown into chaos. Possibly Trump could be certified as the winner, or at least the certificates sent back to the states, throwing things into chaos.

The DOJ just instructed the Secret Service not to continue their search for the deleted text messages. This makes sense. If the Secret Service found a backup of these messages, they would probably just delete them. Asking them to find the messages is like asking the main suspects of a burglary to go into a house and collect evidence. They would probably just put on gloves and proceed to wipe down everything to remove fingerprints. Some other agency needs to do conduct this search, not them.

What we are supposed to believe is the Secret Service just happened to switch equipment, which resulted in the January 5 and 6 messages being deleted. Then in late January, they got instructions to save these messages. But they kept silent about these messages had just be erased. If they had immediately informed congress the messages had been erased, copies likely would have been found on various servers. Now, after 18 months, maybe this is no longer possible.

Clearly the Secret Service is up to no good. Maybe there is not enough evidence for criminal charges. But everyone who was, or may have been involved in deleting these messages, needs to be fired. We can't have agents whose loyalty to the Constitution is questionable.

I believe it's actually both. Criminal Donald corrupted the Secret Service just like he did the DOJ. The texts were deleted to protect Donnie and the agents communications on Jan 6.       

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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2022, 05:42:04 PM »
Pence's Secret Service agents called family to say good-bye on Jan. 6

The House select committee released dramatic footage detailing the chaos in Vice President Mike Pence’s office on Jan. 6, 2021.

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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2022, 04:41:36 AM »
Secret Service waited to tell Capitol Police of Pelosi threat until the Jan. 6 riot was underway
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Secret-Service-waited-to-tell-Capitol-Police-of-17380259.php

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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2022, 04:18:01 PM »
Humm, I don't know about this. At worse, this would have been only a delaying tactic. Once the riot was under control, Pence could have been brought back to the Capitol to certify the election. Taking Pence far away would have kept Pence from the Capitol for no more than a few hours.

I agree, however, that this looks very bad. If it was Trump's intent to delay certification by having Pence taken far away for a while, this would further discredit Trump.

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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2022, 07:26:09 PM »
Humm, I don't know about this. At worse, this would have been only a delaying tactic. Once the riot was under control, Pence could have been brought back to the Capitol to certify the election. Taking Pence far away would have kept Pence from the Capitol for no more than a few hours.

I agree, however, that this looks very bad. If it was Trump's intent to delay certification by having Pence taken far away for a while, this would further discredit Trump.

Yes, if Pence is driven away from the Capitol, he could always be driven back to preside over the official counting of the Electoral votes. Unless the Secret Service, possibly acting under President Trump's orders, determines that it is still too dangerous for Pence to return to the Capitol. In which case a senator, possibly Chuck Grassley, would take over those duties. And the same pressure put on Pence would be put on that senator.

The following story shows that Senator Grassley was informed, by January 5, that Pence might not be able to perform his duties on January 6. So there seems to be some sort of scheme of this sort afoot.

https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2021/01/05/grassley-suggests-he-may-preside-over-senate-debate-on-electoral-college-votes/

Another article on this is at:

https://iowastartingline.com/2022/06/01/report-trump-lawyer-wanted-grassley-to-help-overturn-2020-election/


So the critical question about the Secret Service agents guarding Pence is, was their loyalty to the Constitution or was it to President Trump? If it was to Trump, I doubt Pence would have been driven back to the Capitol in time to oversee the counting of the Electoral votes. The deletion of all the Secret Service texts is a strong indicator that their loyalty was not to the Constitution.

So, Mike Pence's decision not to get into that car may very well have been a watershed event. A true turning point in history. And that decision may have been made as a result of the tweet that Trump sent out to his rioters, and which also reached Pence about the time he reached the garage:

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"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!"
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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2022, 08:22:26 PM »


The spitting images of Nasty Pelosi on the left and Mitch McConnell on the right.

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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2022, 09:46:00 PM »



The spitting images of Nasty Pelosi on the left and Mitch McConnell on the right.

I get the impression that you are not a big fan of democracy. Which explains why you gravitate toward the CT side of the JFK assassination issue. I think that, in general, CTers are not big believers in democracy. Not in America nor anywhere else.

Republicans and Democrats are spitting images of each other? One side supports making America into an Authoritarian regime, a Dictatorship. The other side supports maintaining Democracy, allowing the people to vote for their representatives.

I have disagreed, to some extent, with some of the Democratic party's policies. But as long as Republicans support Authoritarianism, I am voting strictly Democratic. Up until January 2021, I was a lifelong Republican, as was my father and grandfather. I now expect that I will never vote for a Republican candidate again. Certain not for one who does not condemn Trump's to overturn the election. Though I am not a Republican, I think, that fundamentally, I am still a Republican. Because, at the most basic level, what is a Republican? It is one who supports and believes in and would never betray the government of the people, by the people, for the people.

 

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