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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: I'm not getting in the car.
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2022, 10:38:25 PM »
I get the impression that you are not a big fan of democracy.  I think that, in general, CTers are not big believers in democracy. Not in America nor anywhere else.
The US Constitution establishes a Republic...not a 'democracy'. If this country were actually a true democracy that would mean that the top dozen or so cities would decide who runs the USA. The rest of us could just fk off. That is the Democrat Party's agenda.

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Republicans and Democrats are spitting images of each other? One side supports making America into an Authoritarian regime, a Dictatorship. The other side supports maintaining Democracy, allowing the people to vote for their representatives.
I just stated as much above.

 
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Though I am not a Republican, I think, that fundamentally, I am still a Republican. Because, at the most basic level, what is a Republican? It is one who supports and believes in and would never betray the government of the people, by the people, for the people.
 
Nor am I a Republican. I identify mostly as a Libertarian.
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The Libertarian Party (LP) is a political party in the United States that promotes civil liberties, non-interventionism, laissez-faire capitalism, and limiting the size and scope of government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(United_States)
Also... I am not a conspiracy theorist and I am a veteran of the US Navy and proudly served our country.

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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2022, 10:38:25 PM »

Online Joe Elliott

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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2022, 11:36:02 PM »
The US Constitution establishes a Republic...not a 'democracy'. If this country were actually a true democracy that would mean that the top dozen or so cities would decide who runs the USA. The rest of us could just fk off. That is the Democrat Party's agenda.

It is true, that originally, the United States was not a true democracy. But by around 1830, it was, at least to a certain extent, while still limited to white males. And it has continued to evolve into a truer and truer democracy ever since. And all has been done under the rules of the Constitution.

In any case I no longer suspect you do not support democracy. I know you do not. At best you support democracy, unless you find some excuse not to. Like if the voters who support the side you are against happen to be concentrated in "a dozen or so large cities". "If we ignore those voters, we are in the majority". No, you're not.

Also... I am not a conspiracy theorist and I am a veteran of the US Navy and proudly served our country.

You can be a both a veteran and a conspiracy theorist.

Questions:

You do believe that there was a conspiracy to kill JFK, do you not?

How many do you think were involved in killing JFK?

What do you think was most likely the goal of the conspirators?

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Re: I'm not getting in the car.
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2022, 02:10:16 AM »
 I have answered all these questions on the the other board. You know that.
You do believe that there was a conspiracy to kill JFK, do you not?
That would not necessarily make it a theory being that the lone gunman theory is a demonstrated proven covered up fraud.
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How many do you think were involved in killing JFK?
I haven't the foggiest clue so I won't theorize further.
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What do you think was most likely the goal of the conspirators?
The very undemocratic goal of removing the Chief Executive and reversing the election [obviously]

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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2022, 03:35:04 AM »
Criminal Donald and his thugs tried to get the Secret Service to take Pence away so he couldn't certify Joe Biden's electoral victory.

Old man Chuck Grassley said he was going to take over the duty.

The GOP are treasonous traitors.   

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Online Joe Elliott

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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2022, 03:47:33 AM »

I have answered all these questions on the the other board.

You know that.That would not necessarily make it a theory being that the lone gunman theory is a demonstrated proven covered up fraud.

OK. You claim that you are not a 'Conspiracy Theory Believer'. Instead, you are a 'Conspiracy Fact Believer'. The truth is that you are a CTer.

It is surprising how many CTers are reluctant to admit that they are CTers. That is not true of LNers. I have never met a LNer who says 'I'm not really a LNer. I just believe the truth'.

I am a LNer. One who believes that Oswald probably did murder President Kennedy and did so alone. But, of course, this belief, like all my beliefs, are subject to change with new evidence. Unlike your beliefs, which you know to be true. And your belief in a conspiracy to murder President Kennedy can never be reversed.

I believe you also said this was done, in part, to allow the United States to get into the Vietnam war.

Believers in Large-Secret-Enduring Conspiracies always claim they are actually Small-Secret-Enduring Conspiracy believers. They may write one month that this group was involved in the conspiracy. And another group a month later. But when challenged, they par down their list a lot and say just a small number was involved. But, they give themselves away by stating the goal. It's always a goal that would require a large number of people.

Like a conspiracy to hide the existence of alien spacecrafts, even though they are fairly common. Requiring a small army of men in black with memory erasers.

Or to steer the United States into a major war it should not be getting into. Which would also require a large number of people.

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« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2022, 04:52:44 AM »
I am a LNer. One who believes that Oswald probably did murder President Kennedy...
"Probably"? That removes certainty.
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subject to change with new evidence
  The old evidence proves my point.
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which you know to be true.
The truth is--
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Online Joe Elliott

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« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2022, 08:03:15 AM »

I am a LNer. One who believes that Oswald probably did murder President Kennedy...

"Probably"? That removes certainty.

Yes. It does. Nothing is certain.

The old evidence proves my point.

If you say so.

The truth is--
--all men are liars.
Ps 116;11

Yeah? And why should I believe anyone who writes that? Even if it is in the bible?

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Offline Rick Plant

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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2022, 04:46:09 AM »
And now magically the Jan 6 SS texts all disappear. This is a cover up and all involved must go to prison. 

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« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2022, 04:34:14 AM »
Secret Service Official at Center of Probe Retires

"Tony Ornato, the senior Secret Service official who served as a top aide in Donald Trump’s White House and faced scrutiny from the Jan. 6 select committee earlier this summer, announced his retirement Monday,” Politico reports.

“The agency confirmed Ornato’s retirement, which was announced internally earlier in the day. He’s the latest high-level official in the Secret Service to announce his departure in recent weeks. Spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi said Ornato — who joined the Secret Service in 1997 — became eligible for retirement earlier this year and leaves the agency in good standing.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/29/secret-service-jan-6-probe-trump-00054127

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« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2022, 03:46:07 AM »

Secret Service Official at Center of Probe Retires

"Tony Ornato, the senior Secret Service official who served as a top aide in Donald Trump’s White House and faced scrutiny from the Jan. 6 select committee earlier this summer, announced his retirement Monday,” Politico reports.

“The agency confirmed Ornato’s retirement, which was announced internally earlier in the day. He’s the latest high-level official in the Secret Service to announce his departure in recent weeks. Spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi said Ornato — who joined the Secret Service in 1997 — became eligible for retirement earlier this year and leaves the agency in good standing.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/29/secret-service-jan-6-probe-trump-00054127

I wonder what one would have to do to leave the Secret Serivce in bad standing?

In my opinion, Tony Ornato was a much worse Secret Service agent than William Greer and Roy Kellerman, who have been severely criticized for their slow reaction to shooting during a Presidential motorcade escorted by backfiring motorcycles.

 

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