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Online John Iacoletti

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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2022, 07:30:12 AM »
And then when you follow Oswald's actions and movements on November 21st and 22nd in 1963, the JFK case practically solves itself.

Only to somebody blinded by confirmation bias.

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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2022, 07:30:12 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2022, 09:13:02 AM »
Only to somebody blinded by confirmation bias.

Plenty of confirmation on Patton
Plenty of bias shown by poor dumb Oswald

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Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2022, 11:26:43 AM »
Even though it is the truth. No spin is even necessary. Just following Oswald's life provides the answer. And then when you follow Oswald's actions and movements on November 21st and 22nd in 1963, the JFK case practically solves itself.

But, as we all know by now, Cakebread is allergic to something known as "the truth".

BTW, the video of "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" in the OP presents only half of the documentary. Here's the whole thing:

http://dvp-video-audio-archive.blogspot.com/2012/03/who-was-lee-harvey-oswald.html

Even though it is the truth. No spin is even necessary.

How in the world would you even know it's the truth or not? Did you know Oswald and were you there, or do you just believe the story they have told you?

Just following Oswald's life provides the answer.

"Documentaries" like this are for the largest part merely window dressing to create a negative impression about Oswald, which makes it easier to conclude that he must have been the lone shooter. For the actual killing of Kennedy, it makes no difference where the killer has been in his life yet in this case they make a big deal out of his trips to Russia and Mexico etc.

And then when you follow Oswald's actions and movements on November 21st and 22nd in 1963, the JFK case practically solves itself.

Which is precisely what all this information about Oswald's life is supposed to do. The reality is that none of us really knows what's actually true about Oswald's life story that's being told and what isn't. The mere fact that they need this kind of "background information" tells me that without it they simple can not make their lone gunman case against Oswald.

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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2022, 01:56:32 PM »
Even though it is the truth. No spin is even necessary.

How in the world would you even know it's the truth or not? Did you know Oswald and were you there, or do you just believe the story they have told you?

Just following Oswald's life provides the answer.

"Documentaries" like this are for the largest part merely window dressing to create a negative impression about Oswald, which makes it easier to conclude that he must have been the lone shooter. For the actual killing of Kennedy, it makes no difference where the killer has been in his life yet in this case they make a big deal out of his trips to Russia and Mexico etc.

And then when you follow Oswald's actions and movements on November 21st and 22nd in 1963, the JFK case practically solves itself.

Which is precisely what all this information about Oswald's life is supposed to do. The reality is that none of us really knows what's actually true about Oswald's life story that's being told and what isn't. The mere fact that they need this kind of "background information" tells me that without it they simple can not make their lone gunman case against Oswald.

The mere fact that they need this kind of "background information" tells me that without it they simple can not make their lone gunman case against Oswald.

Well said Mr Weidmann.....  Just one simple fact demolishes all the "documentaries" and aspersions and mud slinging they can present.  That simple fact is:..... Lee Oswald was in the 1st floor lunchroom at the time President Kennedy passed by the TSBD.

If he was a wife beater, or a communist, or excellent marksman are all immaterial....He was in the 1st floor lunchroom at the time.
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2022, 02:37:19 PM »
It’s what people like DVP trot out as “evidence” when they don’t have actual evidence.

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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2022, 12:41:44 AM »
  And then when you follow Oswald's actions and movements on November 21st and 22nd in 1963, the JFK case practically solves itself.   
Speculation as usual.


(Walt thinks LHO was "sent to Russia by the U.S. Government".)
So did the Soviets.

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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2022, 12:48:42 AM »
It’s what people like DVP trot out as “evidence” when they don’t have actual evidence.

And the above quote by John is one of the things that CTers love to do when they decide to pretend there's no "actual evidence" at all against that poor sapling named Oswald.

John knows there's more than enough "actual evidence" to hang Oswald 20 times over (for TWO murders). But the CT gene inside him won't let him type it on his keyboard.

And John also knows full well that Oswald's own actions on 11/21 and 11/22 would have convicted him if he had made it to trial too. But, again, John's CT gene won't allow him to admit the obvious.
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2022, 01:32:35 AM »
And the above quote by John is one of the things that CTers love to do when they decide to pretend there's no "actual evidence" at all against that poor sapling named Oswald.

John knows there's more than enough "actual evidence" to hang Oswald 20 times over (for TWO murders). But the CT gene inside him won't let him type it on his keyboard.

And John also knows full well that Oswald's own actions on 11/21 and 11/22 would have convicted him if he had made it to trial too. But, again, John's CT gene won't allow him to admit the obvious.

John knows there's more than enough "actual evidence" to hang Oswald 20 times over (for TWO murders).

Anything can be called evidence, and very often is, but that doesn't mean it's conclusive or actual proof of anything.

And John also knows full well that Oswald's own actions on 11/21 and 11/22 would have convicted him if he had made it to trial too.


Amazing stupidity! Let's examine the facts of "Oswald's own actions" on 11/21 and 11/22. On 11/21 he went to work as normal, asked Frazier for a ride to Irving, went to Irving to visit his wife and kids and stayed the night. The next morning, he walks over to Frazier's home, for the ride back to the TSBD, where he worked normally that morning.

Those are the undisputed facts and none of it would have resulted in a conviction at trial.

Everything that happened between Kennedy's killing, at 12:30, and Oswald's arrest at the Texas Theater are allegations based on speculation and highly questionable evidence and witness testimony. The only really established fact is the arrest at the Texas Theater. Everything else would be scrutinized (imo much of it succesfully) by the defense.

To claim that Oswald would have been convicted based on his actions on 11/21 and 11/22 is just plain ridiculous and extremely naive.

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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2022, 01:32:56 AM »
And the above quote by John is one of the things that CTers love to do when they decide to pretend there's no "actual evidence" at all against that poor sapling named Oswald.

John knows there's more than enough "actual evidence" to hang Oswald 20 times over (for TWO murders). But the CT gene inside him won't let him type it on his keyboard.

And John also knows full well that Oswald's own actions on 11/21 and 11/22 would have convicted him if he had made it to trial too. But, again, John's CT gene won't allow him to admit the obvious.

John also knows full well that Oswald's own actions on 11/21 and 11/22 would have convicted him if he had made it to trial

That's utter nonsense and it exhibits a total disregard of the fact that Lee told Captain Fritz that he was in the first floor lunchroom at the time President Kennedy passed by the TSBD.   Lee said that he had seen Jarman and Norman walk by the lunchroom as he sat there eating his lunch.  When Jarman and Norman confirmed that they had in fact walked by the lunchroom at 12:27 Fritz knew that they would never be able to convict Lee Oswald, and he knew that the noose was tightening around his neck.  He knew that their only recourse was to eliminate Oswald.

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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2022, 01:57:37 AM »
Everything that happened between Kennedy's killing, at 12:30, and Oswald's arrest at the Texas Theater are allegations based on speculation and highly questionable evidence and witness testimony. The only really established fact is the arrest at the Texas Theater. Everything else would be scrutinized (imo much of it succesfully) by the defense.

To claim that Oswald would have been convicted based on his actions on 11/21 and 11/22 is just plain ridiculous and extremely naive.

It's absolutely incredible that anybody who has studied the evidence connected with the JFK and Tippit murders, even a conspiracy theorist named Martin Weidmann, could actually say (and believe) the things I just quoted above.

Martin apparently thinks that the things Lee Oswald did on both November 21st and 22nd were just ordinary things that Oswald did every day -- things such as:

....Taking a bulky package to work with him and lying (twice) to Buell Frazier about the contents of that package.

....Walking several blocks east of the TSBD just minutes after a Presidential assassination in order to catch a bus.

....Getting off the bus just a few minutes after boarding it and then getting into a taxicab to take him to his roominghouse.

....And then having the cab driver take him three blocks beyond his real destination, so that he'll have to backtrack the three-block distance on foot.

....Dashing in and out of his room on Beckley in order to grab his .38 revolver.

....Murdering a Dallas police officer about 15 minutes after hurriedly leaving his roominghouse.

....Sneaking into the Texas Theater without buying the cheap ticket.

....Fighting with the police and attempting to shoot one of them in the theater after merely being told to "get on your feet" by Officer McDonald.

....Making multiple provably false statements to the police after his arrest.

Just a ho-hum Friday in the dull life of Lee Harvey Oswald.

Right, Martin?

Martin will very likely now go into "None Of That Stuff You Just Talked About Can Possibly Be Verified And Confirmed By Anybody Because I Think Everybody In Dallas Was Trying To Pin The Murders On Only Oswald" mode.

And 'round and 'round we go. (Yet again.)

Still More:

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/everything-oswald-did-says-guilt.html
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