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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #440 on: May 12, 2024, 08:26:01 PM »
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So Zelensky is functionally a dictator as long as the war continues?  LOL.  Again, the US managed to hold an election during the US Civil War.  Russia managed to hold an election during this war.  But Ukraine just can't.  It's in the "Constitution."  I guess they couldn't amend the Constitution to have an election.  Just send them more billions with no plan for ending the war.  That is some "democracy" that we are funding.   Meanwhile US cities are in ruin.  Crime, poverty, homelessness, drugs, and countless illegal aliens.  No billions going there.  The only members of these groups who are getting any assistance are the illegals.  Everyone else is on their own.  No law-abiding person will show their face in most US cities after dark. Even the police are afraid to go in many areas.

What is the US plan after three years?  Surely there must be one.  The only policy appears to be to send more weapons and money, and hope the Russians eventually give up.  Meanwhile Ukraine is being destroyed.  Thousands are dead or maimed.  More are dying every day.  The situation going on three years is a stalemate or leaning toward Russian advances.  How long should we fund this situation?  Another year.  Five years.  A decade.  We were in places like Vietnam and Afghanistan for decades.  Did things turn out better for sticking it out?  Ukraine should be told that they need to reach a deal with Russia to end the war in the next six months.  After that no more weapons or money and they are on their own.  An incentive for a solution.

Zelensky will gladly stop being a 'functional dictator' as soon as Russia withdraws from Ukraine.

What is the US plan after two years? I think it is simple. Outlast Russia. Considering how much greater America's and Europe's economies are greater than Russia, this should not be a problem. We should have no problem out producing Russia. If we decide to not outproduce them then we may, because of treaty obligations, have our own troops fight Russians invading other European countries. Just as those countries were obligated to help us in Afghanistan. They helped us. We should help them, if and when Russia attacks them.


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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #441 on: May 12, 2024, 09:01:22 PM »
Zelensky will gladly stop being a 'functional dictator' as soon as Russia withdraws from Ukraine.

What is the US plan after two years? I think it is simple. Outlast Russia. Considering how much greater America's and Europe's economies are greater than Russia, this should not be a problem. We should have no problem out producing Russia. If we decide to not outproduce them then we may, because of treaty obligations, have our own troops fight Russians invading other European countries. Just as those countries were obligated to help us in Afghanistan. They helped us. We should help them, if and when Russia attacks them.

So Zelensky has no incentive to find a way to end the war.  He is a dictator being funneled billions by our gullible politicians.  And the "plan" is to outlast Russia?  How did that work for Napoleon and Hitler?  How did that work for us in places like Vietnam and Afghanistan?   That is not a strategy or plan.  It is a hope with the initiative all on the side of Putin.  Even Springsteen learned that lesson: "I had a brother at Khe Sanh. Fighting off all the Viet Cong. They're still there, he's all gone."  Russia is not going to invade any NATO country.  That is classic Cold War/Dr. Strangelove propaganda.  If they can't overrun even regions of Ukraine, they pose no danger to anyone else.  Our military contractors have propped Russia up as the boogeyman for decades to keep the money flowing. 

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #442 on: May 13, 2024, 02:53:53 PM »
I think Ukraine is done. Just a matter of time before they agree to some sort of partition.

Not only are they running low on ammo and heavy weapons, they're also running out of men who are willing to fight.

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« Reply #443 on: June 10, 2024, 02:04:50 PM »
The money continues to flow endlessly to this war with no plan for ending it.   Another $250 million from Ukraine Joe.  There is also a legally questionable effort to send $50 billion in frozen Russian assets to Ukraine.  That's billion with a "b."  Those funds have been frozen based on the nationality of the individuals holding the assets.  Imagine that leftist governments around the world now believe they can take private assets from individual citizens based upon their nationality and redistribute these funds as they see fit.  Imagine if the US took the assets of any Chinese individual to pay for the harm caused by COVID?  Frightening abuse of power.  No wonder even "Europeans" are rejecting their socialist overlords in the recent elections.   Meanwhile Kamala is expressing sympathy for the terrorists killed in the recent raid to rescue hostages.  Old Joe is pushing Israel to end the war.  In contrast, endless war is being promoted in Ukraine.   Why the difference?  The war in Israel is hurting Old Joe's poll numbers.  The war in Ukraine is greasing the wheels of his political cronies with money.  Just like the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam.  It may go on for decades unless Trump is elected.  And when it ends, nothing will have been achieved.

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« Reply #444 on: August 20, 2024, 06:30:54 PM »
The Biden administration continues to pressure Israel to stop defending itself and end the fighting in Gaza.  Blinken has been there for many weeks.  So why haven't they made similar efforts with Ukraine to find a solution to that conflict?  We are at three years and counting without a single initiative to end that war.  The answer is easy.  Biden/Harris are capitulating to anti-Semitic elements in their own party.   The conflict in Israel is hurting them politically.   In contrast, no effort whatsoever is being made to negotiate an end to the war in Ukraine because that conflict allows them to control the expenditure of billions of dollars.  An enormous source of political power to decide how that money gets spent.  The longer it goes on, the better for the political establishment.  Where is Cacklin' Kamala on all this?  She knows that Ukraine is "a country in 'Europe'" and that "Russia is a bigger country."  Beyond that only silence and no chance to ask her since she doesn't allow any questions either as VP or a presidential candidate.  They are using the people of Ukraine as cannon fodder.  Trump and Vance will bring that horrible conflict to a quick resolution.

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