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Offline Rick Plant

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« Reply #352 on: June 02, 2023, 08:12:43 PM »
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Russia’s invasion of Ukraine ‘strategic failure’, says US Secretary of State - BBC News

Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has been described as a “strategic failure” by the US Secretary of State Antony Blinken.

During an address in Finland, which is Nato's newest member, Blinken also said the invasion had weakened Russia diplomatically, economically and militarily.

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« Reply #353 on: June 02, 2023, 09:17:38 PM »
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine ‘strategic failure’, says US Secretary of State - BBC News


A failure for who?

The US, which armed Ukraine and sanctioned Russia (after the Crimea annexation) in order to deter Putin's aggression?

Or Putin, who probably didn't expect the war to last more than a few weeks?

At the end of the day, the biggest losers in this war are the Ukrainians...
 

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« Reply #354 on: June 02, 2023, 09:48:10 PM »
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine ‘strategic failure’, says US Secretary of State - BBC News

Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has been described as a “strategic failure” by the US Secretary of State Antony Blinken.

During an address in Finland, which is Nato's newest member, Blinken also said the invasion had weakened Russia diplomatically, economically and militarily.


What else is he going to say?  That he and Biden made a terrible mistake and have no clue what to do?  They are at the mercy of Putin to determine how long the war continues and have no plan or policy other than to wait it out?  Putin must pinch himself when he sees the weak Biden clown show.   Old Joe falling and rolling around on the ground.  The Russians must laugh themselves silly. 

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« Reply #355 on: June 02, 2023, 09:51:59 PM »
A failure for who?

The US, which armed Ukraine and sanctioned Russia (after the Crimea annexation) in order to deter Putin's aggression?

Or Putin, who probably didn't expect the war to last more than a few weeks?

At the end of the day, the biggest losers in this war are the Ukrainians...

At the end of the day, the biggest losers in this war are the Ukrainians...

Agreed. Which is exactly why they have to get all the help the need.


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« Reply #356 on: June 02, 2023, 09:56:00 PM »
At the end of the day, the biggest losers in this war are the Ukrainians...

Agreed. Which is exactly why they have to get all the help the need.

Too bad then that "Europe" has checked out.  The kind of "help" Ukraine needs is a path to end the war.  Not continue it indefinitely with no clear plan or policy. 

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« Reply #357 on: June 02, 2023, 09:57:31 PM »
What else is he going to say?  That he and Biden made a terrible mistake and have no clue what to do?  They are at the mercy of Putin to determine how long the war continues and have no plan or policy other than to wait it out?  Putin must pinch himself when he sees the weak Biden clown show.   Old Joe falling and rolling around on the ground.  The Russians must laugh themselves silly.

Putin hiding in secret locations, not travelling on planes and moving around in trains is pretty comical. That's one hell of a "world leader".

That he and Biden made a terrible mistake

What mistake would that be?

They are at the mercy of Putin to determine how long the war continues

You may have a point there. It still might take a while or a few more drone attacks, to make him see he's at a dead end with no way to win this war.

He's getting more desperate by the day.

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« Reply #358 on: June 02, 2023, 10:01:21 PM »
Too bad then that "Europe" has checked out.  The kind of "help" Ukraine needs is a path to end the war.  Not continue it indefinitely with no clear plan or policy.

You really need to stop this misinformation BS. Europe is backing Ukraine all the way. Ukraine is in no position to end the war, or would you have them march on Moscow?
Ukraine will have won this war by kicking Putin out of their country and that will subsequently be the end of Putin as well.

You just want them to surrender to Russia (regardless of the consequences) so that the US can save a few dollars. It's sick and pathetic.

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« Reply #359 on: June 02, 2023, 10:19:21 PM »
You really need to stop this misinformation BS. Europe is backing Ukraine all the way. Ukraine is in no position to end the war, or would you have them march on Moscow?
Ukraine will have won this war by kicking Putin out of their country and that will subsequently be the end of Putin as well.

You just want them to surrender to Russia (regardless of the consequences) so that the US can save a few dollars. It's sick and pathetic.

Martin has learned something!  I couldn't say it better.  Ukraine has no ability to end the war.  There is no policy or plan that the US and Ukraine force a victory over the enemy as we did in WWII.  It is exactly the situation presented in Vietnam and Afghanistan.  Just fight on and on and on hoping that one day the enemy tires and calls it off.  That is not a strategy.  Do you think the people in the disputed regions, many of whom are ethnic Russians, would prefer to die and have their homes destroyed vs a settlement with Russia that ended the war?  How do you know what they prefer?  The fighting in these regions preceded the invasion.  It is a regional conflict that has gone on for years and will continue for years.   How long does the US bankroll this war?  Five years?  Ten? Twenty?  What is the end point?