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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #176 on: March 24, 2023, 11:22:07 PM »
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NY Times headline today:

"U.S. Arms Production Canít Keep Up as Ukraine War Drains Supply"

And that is why a war of attrition favors Russia. Ukraine may never get enough weapons to overwhelm Russia militarily.

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #177 on: March 25, 2023, 09:01:24 AM »
And that is why a war of attrition favors Russia. Ukraine may never get enough weapons to overwhelm Russia militarily.

You gotta love those armchair generals!

So far, Ukraine has been doing a pretty good job at stopping the invasion dead in it's tracks with limited means.
With the first Leopard 2 tanks and jets having been delivered, nobody really knows what's going to happen.


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« Reply #178 on: March 25, 2023, 12:14:02 PM »
You gotta love those armchair generals!

So far, Ukraine has been doing a pretty good job at stopping the invasion dead in it's tracks with limited means.
With the first Leopard 2 tanks and jets having been delivered, nobody really knows what's going to happen.

Ukraine didnít have zero tanks and fighter jets at the start of this war. What happened to their two thousand tanks and hundreds of fighter jets Ukraine had a year ago?  I think we can guess what happened to that equipment.

First we instigated a war that Ukraine canít win and now weíre prolonging the war. Which at the end of the day, Ukraine benefits from the least of all parties involved.
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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #179 on: March 25, 2023, 01:31:44 PM »
Ukraine didnít have zero tanks and fighter jets at the start of this war. What happened to their two thousand tanks and hundreds of fighter jets Ukraine had a year ago?  I think we can guess what happened to that equipment.

First we instigated a war that Ukraine canít win and now weíre prolonging the war. Which at the end of the day, Ukraine benefits from the least of all parties involved.

What happened to their two thousand tanks and hundreds of fighter jets Ukraine had a year ago?

How do you know what they had a year ago and what they have left now?

First we instigated a war that Ukraine canít win and now weíre prolonging the war.

Who are "we"?



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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #180 on: March 25, 2023, 01:39:43 PM »
I agree that it's a huge contradiction but I hear that rhetoric from some Republican politicians too.

One minute, Russia is a paper tiger and near defeat in Ukraine. The next minute, we're being told if we don't stop Russia in Ukraine, they'll invade Poland. Both things can't be true at the same time.

I agree that the 2016 election and the Trump-Russia stuff has made Democrats more paranoid about Russia than they were prior to 2016. On the flip side, I think Republicans seem paranoid about China. Good policies don't come from paranoia and hysteria.

One minute, Russia is a paper tiger and near defeat in Ukraine. The next minute, we're being told if we don't stop Russia in Ukraine, they'll invade Poland. Both things can't be true at the same time.

I don't think Russia is near defeat in Ukraine, but they are struggling, that's for sure. And even if Russia isn't as powerful as they once were, there is still a need to stop Putin, as it is more than possible that he will see a lack of response from the West as an invitation to attack other countries as well. Maybe not straight away, but he may well increase weapon production to ensure he's much stronger when he invades the next country.

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« Reply #181 on: March 25, 2023, 02:33:17 PM »
What happened to their two thousand tanks and hundreds of fighter jets Ukraine had a year ago?

How do you know what they had a year ago and what they have left now?



https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/1/25/infographic-military-capabilities-of-russia-and-ukraine-interactive

As the graphic above shows, we know what both countries started with in February 2022. The fact that Ukraine desperately needs tanks and fighter jets suggests that theyíve lost most of their tanks and fighter jets already.

First we instigated a war that Ukraine canít win and now weíre prolonging the war.

Who are "we"?

The US government. Several US Presidents going back to the Bush II administration.

Against the advice of our diplomats and allies, we advocated for Ukraine to join NATO, helped them overthrow their democratically elected President in 2014, and advised them against making peace with their separatists in eastern Ukraine prior to February 2022.

Ukraine has been caught in the middle of a proxy-war between the West and Russia for the past decade or so.

My only hope is that this thing doesnít spiral out of control and escalate to World War 3.

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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #182 on: March 25, 2023, 03:05:33 PM »
American suppliers are selling goods (at a big profit, of course) and can't keep up with demand. What exactly are you whining about, this time?

What an idiotic statement even considering the source.  While the US is mired down supplying Ukraine in an endless war (while "Europe" does nothing) and running out of ammo, the enemies of the US are being emboldened.  Iran is striking the US in Syria.  China is pondering an attack on Taiwan.  They have been emboldened by weakness and incompetence.  The US is at its weakest point in modern history.  Russia and China are now allies.  Saudi Arabia and Iran are now allies.  It's now or never for China and Iran to strike.  A time of opportunity due to Ukraine Joe and his cast of clowns.

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« Reply #183 on: March 25, 2023, 05:06:07 PM »
What an idiotic statement even considering the source.  While the US is mired down supplying Ukraine in an endless war (while "Europe" does nothing) and running out of ammo, the enemies of the US are being emboldened.  Iran is striking the US in Syria.  China is pondering an attack on Taiwan.  They have been emboldened by weakness and incompetence.  The US is at its weakest point in modern history.  Russia and China are now allies.  Saudi Arabia and Iran are now allies.  It's now or never for China and Iran to strike.  A time of opportunity due to Ukraine Joe and his cast of clowns.

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