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Offline Joe Elliott

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Colors of Blue and Gold
« on: March 22, 2022, 12:57:21 PM »

Colors of Blue and Gold

I will believe in Bigfoot, the Roswell incident and that the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump, before I believe that the cosmonauts were not honoring Ukraine by wearing blue and gold. They could not have been oblivious about the events in Ukraine, about Ukrainian national colors. And no one at the Russian space center mentioned their spacesuit choice as the entered their spacecraft.
The decision by US Space Foundation to strike Yuri Gagarinís name needs to be reviewed, now. They should honor courage. Both that of Yuri Gagarin, and that of his worthy successors.
And while the Russians still occupy a part of the Ukraine, blue and gold soars high about the loftiest Russian fighter.


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Offline Rick Plant

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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2022, 09:54:33 PM »
Happy to see Ukraine taking back sections of their country! 

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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2022, 04:04:14 AM »
I like how the Russians explained in April that the retreat from Kyiv was all part of the plan, since the assault on Kyiv was just a diversion from the main assaults. And now the retreat from the kharkiv area in September was all part of the plan all along, to concentrate troops in the more critical areas.

It's like the following (mythical, of course) announcements of the Germans in World War II.

July 3, 1942: Huge breakthrough, Don river has been crossed and drives going far forward to take the Caucasus and cut off the Volga river to all traffic, a critical supply line for the Russians. All according to the Fuhrer's plan.

August 30, 1942: Volga boat traffic in now under artillery fire and Stalingrad has been entered. Soon, Stalin's city will be captured. All according to the Fuhrer's plan.

October 25, 1942: The taking of Stalingrad has been delayed, in order to draw in more Russian troops across the Volga river to insure their destruction, all according to the Fuhrer's plan.

November 27, 1942: German Sixth army is concentrating on Stalingrad itself to drawn in more Russian troops upon the city where they will be destroyed. The Sixth army can easily be supplied from air so there is no cause for alarm on that point. It is all according to the Fuhrer's plan.

February 3, 1943: 90,000 German troops are now being dispersed deep into the Russian rear areas to act as a Fifth column behind Russia's front line. It is all in accord with the Fuhrer's plan.
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2022, 04:48:29 PM »
We are now around $60 billion spent and counting with no end in sight in Ukraine.  The US supposedly undermined a proposed settlement between Ukraine and Russia a few months ago that would have brought an end to the war.  Ukraine would have agreed not to enter NATO and Russia would have withdrawn its forces.  But the folks in DC - both republicans and dems - never want this to end.  Like Afghanistan, they want to milk it for as long as possible.  They sold some gullible types a bill of goods that Ukraine was a "democracy" and was Russia "bad."   Imagine liberals who once protested wars being the largest advocates for American involvement in this conflict.  Unreal.  Russia is certainly in the wrong but there is no American interest at stake.  The radical libs transferred their obsessive hatred of Trump to Putin and have edged the world as close to WWIII as any time in history.  If it turns out that the US or its allies destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines, that is an act of war against Russia.  Not assistance to Ukraine.  The Russians will certainly retaliate in some dangerous manner and who knows what happens then.  This is exactly what happens when the corrupt political establishment makes decisions.

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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2022, 06:58:02 PM »
We are now around $60 billion spent and counting with no end in sight in Ukraine.  The US supposedly undermined a proposed settlement between Ukraine and Russia a few months ago that would have brought an end to the war.  Ukraine would have agreed not to enter NATO and Russia would have withdrawn its forces.  But the folks in DC - both republicans and dems - never want this to end.  Like Afghanistan, they want to milk it for as long as possible.  They sold some gullible types a bill of goods that Ukraine was a "democracy" and was Russia "bad."   Imagine liberals who once protested wars being the largest advocates for American involvement in this conflict.  Unreal.  Russia is certainly in the wrong but there is no American interest at stake.  The radical libs transferred their obsessive hatred of Trump to Putin and have edged the world as close to WWIII as any time in history.  If it turns out that the US or its allies destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines, that is an act of war against Russia.  Not assistance to Ukraine.  The Russians will certainly retaliate in some dangerous manner and who knows what happens then.  This is exactly what happens when the corrupt political establishment makes decisions.

Worried about the expenditure of 60 billion? You didn't seem too worried over the last few months, with Ukraine just able to hold on. It is only with the recent Ukraine successes that you start to worry and revisit this issue. 60 billion dollars? What's my share of this. About $ 200. I am more than willing to spend $ 400 of my money per year to hold off Russia from overrunning Europe. Unlike the $ 145 billion we spent in Afghanistan, our money spent in Ukraine is clearly being put to good use. It is not money wasted.

This isn't about Ukraine. This is about mainland Europe. If threatening to use nuclear bombs works against Ukraine, Russia will now have its formula to keep advancing west. Should we risk nuclear war just over parts of Ukraine? Should we risk nuclear war just for all of Ukraine? Should we risk nuclear war just for the Baltic states? Should we risk nuclear war just for Poland? There is no end of this short of the Rhine River.

Make no mistake, this isn't just over parts of Ukraine, or all of Ukraine. It is, at a minimum, for most of Europe, right up to the Rhine River. Presumably, France and Britain, with their nuclear weapons would be safe. But maybe not. Russia could say they have a lot more weapons, with a lot more territory to spread out in. Move millions of people into Russia cities and say "Do you want to kill them as well? Better to give into us now as you have done before".

I think the nuclear threat is an empty threat. If Putin gives the order, it will likely be his last order. He would be killed on the spot.

On the other hand, giving in now will only prolong our problems and make them worst. If we do toughen our policies in the future and resolve to make a real stand in the Baltics, the Russians won't believe it. They will think that we crumpled before, just from the threat of nuclear weapons. With a real demonstration with real nuclear weapons within the Baltic States, surely now we will back down once again.

In 1938, reasonable men backed down from unreasonable men. We saw how well that worked. It would be the height of stupidity to think it would work any different now.

Democrats do want it to end. With Russia withdrawing from Ukraine and the war ending. And I think it will likely happen. Putin appears determined but Russia on the whole does not appear to be determined. Determination does matter. Many a larger state has lost to a more determined smaller state. This looks like a classic example. How will ill-equipped Russian soldiers hold up in the coming winter? Equipped Russian soldiers have handled winter warfare well. With poor equipment, with their government skimming on all sorts of equipment, including, I presume, winter clothing, we will see. They can't just huddle inside all the time during the winter like they can during peace. Not if they expect to hold off the Ukrainians. Which seems hard enough with warmer weather.

We spent 145 billion for Afghanistan. Surely Europe is worth a lot more than that.

I think that MAGA Republicans wouldn't mind spending 60 billion, if we can spend it helping the Russians. They want dictatorships to spread, over America and around the world.
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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2022, 09:45:08 PM »
We've been sold a bill of goods again by the same DC warmongers.  Vietnam - stopping Communism.  Afghanistan - nation building.  Iraq - weapons of mass destruction.  How did all those work out.  Just great for the Cheney's but no one else.  Ukraine is another disaster.  Billions will be spent.  There is already mission creep.  No end in sight.  When all is said and done, the US will pay to rebuild the place while Europe laughs.  We are still paying Europe for the privilege of defending them.  They must pinch themselves.

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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2022, 04:15:09 PM »
The war continues to escalate on Old Joe's watch with no end in sight.  No effort to find a settlement.  Instead it's all about sending more and more weapons to extend the war at the cost of billions to the US taxpayer.  When all is said and done Ukraine will be a smoldering ruin with enormous loss of life.  And that's the best-case scenario.  Old Joe and his gang of incompetents might very well bungle this into WWIII over a region that most Americans couldn't find on a map and have never heard of.  The US has used the war as a pretext for regime change in Russia.  The goal is to mire Russia in an endless conflict until Putin is overthrown.  An incredibly dangerous strategy.

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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2022, 10:23:48 PM »

The war continues to escalate on Old Joe's watch with no end in sight.  No effort to find a settlement.  Instead it's all about sending more and more weapons to extend the war at the cost of billions to the US taxpayer.  When all is said and done Ukraine will be a smoldering ruin with enormous loss of life.  And that's the best-case scenario.  Old Joe and his gang of incompetents might very well bungle this into WWIII over a region that most Americans couldn't find on a map and have never heard of.  The US has used the war as a pretext for regime change in Russia.  The goal is to mire Russia in an endless conflict until Putin is overthrown.  An incredibly dangerous strategy.

It's not wasted money. Just like Hitler, Putin needs to be stopped. And sending weapons to Ukraine seems to be a very cost effective way to do it. Yes, it costs money to stop Putin. Just like it cost money to stop Hitler. But it needs to be done.

In the long run, Ukraine will be better off suffering the war damage, than living under the boot of Russia. There is no hope for them if that happens. And adding Ukraine to Russia will only give them more resources, more draftees, and make Russia an even bigger threat to Europe and the world.

And so far you have dodged my question.

Why did the recent reverses on the battlefield for Russia spur you to start complaining about our expenditures. You were pretty silent during the months of stalemate. Is it possible you are more concerned about Russia failing than our spending money?

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