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« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2022, 10:27:55 PM »
What's this about the "cattlemen meeting"? I've never heard this. Which book and what page of Newman's and Parnell is this discussed in?

Chapter 7 in my book:
https://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/p/7-few-days-after-jack-ruby-departed-cuba.html

Page 72 in Newman (Into the Storm).

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« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2022, 11:21:44 PM »
Newman discusses ("Into the Storm") the supposed visit to Lobo's bank here:

"The visit by Veciana's notional [i.e., theoretical] Phillips to Lobo's bank in mid-September 1959 would have taken place at the very moment the Havana station and CIA HQS were struggling to ensure that the work of the real Phillips for the CIA would not come to the attention of Cuban intelligence. Lobo's bank and counterrevolutionary associates - including Veciana - had been under tight surveillance for quite some time. Only a few month later, Che Guevara summoned Veciana to two meetings in which he attempted - unsuccessfully - to recruit Veciana to penetrate and report on Lobo's anti-Castro activities."

I was not aware - and his source for this is thin - that Veciana himself was under surveillance at the time of the supposed Bishop meeting. Newman also says that Lobo vouched for Veciana's bona fides in late 1960 when he, Veciana, appealed to the US Embassy for a visa to go to the US. Which raises the question: If Veciana was working for Phillips then why did he need to go to Lobo to prove his bona fides to obtain a visa? Wouldn't Phillips do that? That is, vouch for him?

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« Reply #52 on: July 21, 2022, 12:31:33 AM »
Newman discusses ("Into the Storm") the supposed visit to Lobo's bank here:

"The visit by Veciana's notional [i.e., theoretical] Phillips to Lobo's bank in mid-September 1959 would have taken place at the very moment the Havana station and CIA HQS were struggling to ensure that the work of the real Phillips for the CIA would not come to the attention of Cuban intelligence. Lobo's bank and counterrevolutionary associates - including Veciana - had been under tight surveillance for quite some time. Only a few month later, Che Guevara summoned Veciana to two meetings in which he attempted - unsuccessfully - to recruit Veciana to penetrate and report on Lobo's anti-Castro activities."

I was not aware - and his source for this is thin - that Veciana himself was under surveillance at the time of the supposed Bishop meeting.

Newman's logic seems to be that if Lobo was under surveillance, Veciana would be by default. But you're right, it is thin. I have no doubt that Lobo was a CIA asset but beyond that who knows? I do agree that recruiting Veciana at the bank would be the last thing Phillips would want to do.

Newman also says that Lobo vouched for Veciana's bona fides in late 1960 when he, Veciana, appealed to the US Embassy for a visa to go to the US. Which raises the question: If Veciana was working for Phillips then why did he need to go to Lobo to prove his bona fides to obtain a visa? Wouldn't Phillips do that? That is, vouch for him?

Yes, Phillips would just vouch for him if the Bishop story was true. Similarly, why would Veciana need to go to the CIA on three occasions asking for help when Bishop/Phillips was supposedly providing what he needed?

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« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2022, 04:46:03 PM »
Chapter 22 of The Bishop Hoax is now online:
https://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/p/22-i-accuse-you-of-assassination.html

Highlights:
David Phillips engages in a personal and legal battle with conspiracy authors.
Fabiola-Delores Cao allegations.
Virginia Prewett.
Phillips debates Anthony Summers.
Jim Hougan-Frank Terpil story.
Phillips and the Orlando Letelier murder.

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« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2022, 04:11:39 PM »
Chapter 23 of The Bishop Hoax is now online:
https://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/p/23-single-mans-monomania.html

Highlights:
Fonzi's 1980 article "Who Killed JFK?" draws critical reaction from peers and others in the know.

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« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2022, 05:33:14 PM »
Chapter 23 of The Bishop Hoax is now online:
https://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/p/23-single-mans-monomania.html

Highlights:
Fonzi's 1980 article "Who Killed JFK?" draws critical reaction from peers and others in the know.
I've always thought of Fonzi of being essentially a honest but misguided person determined to capture his white whale ("Let faith oust fact; let fancy oust memory; I look deep down and do believe") but this is pretty damning. He was, well, corrupt.

They so much believe in their cause that they lose all bearing.  Is that a defense? Or an excuse?

Side question: In your Kelly link he says that Phillips lied to the HSCA and that they were preparing to indict him for perjury. Is this the Tanenbaum issue about the tapes in MC being delivered? Phillips said they were erased and no tapes were delivered. Tanenbaum quotes that mistaken Hoover memo (he got from Mark Lane) saying they were. Thus the perjury allegation.
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« Reply #57 on: July 31, 2022, 07:57:55 PM »
I've always thought of Fonzi of being essentially a honest but misguided person determined to capture his white whale ("Let faith oust fact; let fancy oust memory; I look deep down and do believe") but this is pretty damning.

They so much believe in their cause that they lose all bearing.  Is that a defense? Or an excuse?

Side question: In your Kelly link he says that Phillips lied to the HSCA and that they were preparing to indict him for perjury. Is this the Tanenbaum issue about the tapes in MC being delivered? Phillips said they were erased and no tapes were delivered. Tanenbaum quotes that mistaken Hoover memo (he got from Mark Lane) saying they were. Thus the perjury allegation.

Other than the Phillips-Veciana confrontation, which was Fonzi's word against Phillips, I've never been able to pinpoint exactly what anyone thinks Phillips lied about. He was mistaken about some of his actions in Mexico City (that is coming in Chapter 26), that is true. But the purpose of his second testimony was to clarify those issues. I am not a lawyer, but my understanding is that if someone testifies and clears up a matter from a previous testimony that is not perjury. They just don't like Phillips so it has always been a fantasy that he should have been charged.

The other thing is there has to be intent. That is the person has to know that they are giving false information. I think that would have been hard to prove in the case of Phillips. Others may disagree.

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« Reply #58 on: July 31, 2022, 09:51:20 PM »
Other than the Phillips-Veciana confrontation, which was Fonzi's word against Phillips, I've never been able to pinpoint exactly what anyone thinks Phillips lied about. He was mistaken about some of his actions in Mexico City (that is coming in Chapter 26), that is true. But the purpose of his second testimony was to clarify those issues. I am not a lawyer, but my understanding is that if someone testifies and clears up a matter from a previous testimony that is not perjury. They just don't like Phillips so it has always been a fantasy that he should have been charged.

The other thing is there has to be intent. That is the person has to know that they are giving false information. I think that would have been hard to prove in the case of Phillips. Others may disagree.
The Landau book on the Letelier assassination can be downloaded and/or read online here:
https://ia801803.us.archive.org/16/items/assassination-on-embassy-row/Assassination%20on%20Embassy%20Row.pdf

I don't see anyone resembling Phillips. But that's pretty very meaningless. I would think that after Phillips died in 1988 that Landau could have alleged, implicitly if not explicitly, that Phillips was one of the people involved in disseminating those claims about Letelier and his relations with Cuba and the Eastern Bloc nations.
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« Reply #59 on: August 01, 2022, 07:22:09 PM »
The Landau book on the Letelier assassination can be downloaded and/or read online here:
https://ia801803.us.archive.org/16/items/assassination-on-embassy-row/Assassination%20on%20Embassy%20Row.pdf

I don't see anyone resembling Phillips. But that's pretty very meaningless. I would think that after Phillips died in 1988 that Landau could have alleged, implicitly if not explicitly, that Phillips was one of the people involved in disseminating those claims about Letelier and his relations with Cuba and the Eastern Bloc nations.

Thanks for that link. So Landau never mentioned Phillips at all in his book (i just did a quick search for his name in the PDF with nothing turning up)?

 

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