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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: The Ukraine and U. S. Elections
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2022, 12:09:46 AM »
Your moronic analysis of the situation in Ukraine is exactly why Americans should stay the hell out of European affairs. It has to be duplicitous partisan politics in your case to not acknowledge the last time Putin invaded Ukraine was on Obama's term as president. You're either unaware of this fact or stupidly up to your neck of brainwashing bias. Meanwhile, in reality, the truth is: Donetsk and Crimea were taken control of by Putin because USA had a completely ineffectual piss poor leader at the time. And guess what, it's happening again - now on Biden's spombleprofglidnoctobunsshow.


If you continue to be so dumb, only going around chirping M$M headlines you've not actually researched yourself. Just making everyone maintain the status-quo of endless wars and nations you occupy. Then yes, you deserve being attacked for your stupidity.

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Robert Reeves is no "Intel expert" and he only parrots what he hears from the right wing media as well as posting lame insults. Real Intel experts agree with me and applaud President Biden's efforts in dealing with Ukraine and Putin.     


GOP attacks on Biden over Ukraine moves slapped aside by intel experts: report

According to a report from the Daily Beast, Republican complaints over President Joe Biden's handling of the growing threat that Russia may invade Ukraine are being dismissed by intel experts and authorities in the region who are explaining the measured moves by the Democratic president are exactly what are needed at this point.

As the report from the Beast's Shannon Vavra notes, Republicans have launched a two-pronged attack on Biden, saying he should speed up evacuations and that he is not being tough enough with Russian strongman Vladimir Putin.

In a letter to the State Department, Sen. Joni Ernst (R-IA), as well as several other Republicans, urged Secretary of State Tony Blinken "to reverse course on the administration’s stated plan of not running military evacuations of Americans should they get caught in Moscow’s crosshairs in Ukraine."

According to the report, the Republicans complained, "This response is a failure of the Commander-in-Chief to keep his law-bound requirements to safeguard American citizens traveling and living abroad and a failure of the Department of State’s leadership to de-escalate conflict or plan and execute a coordinated evacuation effectively.”

Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY) has headed up the personal attacks on Biden, complaining about the president, "He talked tough but Putin doesn’t respect statements, he only respects strength."

Taking those accusations into account, intel experts who spoke with the Beast sided with the president.

Writing, "The GOP’s latest launchpad for haranguing Biden—the evacuation debacle—isn’t the one-two punch Republicans might think it is. And it isn’t cut and dried, experts say," Vavra spoke with former Ukraine ambassador Bill Taylor who suggested, as the Beast reporter put it, "The decision to announce there are no plans for military evacuation might actually be quite prudent. The driving force behind the move might be to avoid getting troops accidentally involved in an all-out war with the Russian military"

As Taylor explained, "There’s value in what the president said, which is he doesn’t want to put troops in possible contact [or] conflict with Russian troops and so he wants everybody to get out so he doesn’t have to send troops in."

Doug London, formerly with the CIA, agreed.

“If you start sending in American C-17s [for evacuations] the Russians are going to say we’re using it to disguise our ‘invasion plans’ and say ‘We’ve got to act before the Americans,’” London explained before adding, "You don’t use U.S. forces because, any time you use and put U.S. forces on the ground, there’s a chance for engagement. You don’t go from 0 to 60… It’s a powder keg. Why would you serve this up to the Russians?”

"Intelligence analysts are applauding Biden’s efforts to call out Russia’s internal planning publicly in an attempt to destabilize their plotting efforts," Vavra added. "The administration’s work to rally the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and other allies in the face of Russian aggression has also been getting high marks as well."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/republicans-invent-reasons-to-blame-joe-biden-for-ukraine-russia

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Re: The Ukraine and U. S. Elections
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2022, 01:57:04 AM »
Far right wing radical preacher Franklin Graham wants his religious cult to pray for Valdimir Putin. Not for the President of the United States or for the people in Ukraine, but for an evil murderous dictator. Just goes to show you how anti American and anti democracy the GOP is and how much they worship a foreign dictator over America. Just another reason why they are going to lose the 2022 midterms in a landslide. What a disgrace.   





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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2022, 02:16:41 AM »
We don't forget this disgraceful event and right wingers can't attempt to rewrite history.

Yes, this is what you call a traitor. Criminal Donald publcly sided with a dictator over the FBI and our own U.S. Intelligence. Why would a U.S. "President" coddle and cozy up to a dictator over America? Only one that is a puppet of Russia would. 4 years of weakness from Donnie allowed Putin to get where he is today.

Trump sides with Russia against FBI at Helsinki summit
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812

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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2022, 04:34:28 PM »
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Criminal Donald tried to steal the 2020 election via a coup and violent insurrection. He wanted to be a tyrant. And of course you parrot the same debunked right wing talking points. The overwhelming majority of Americans have tuned it out. They are too busy shopping and taking advantage of the great economy that President Biden has created.       

If Trump wanted to be a "tyrant", why did he freely leave office?  As President, Trump was commander and chief over the greatest military force in history.  But we are supposed to believe the "insurrection" plan was to send a few hundred protestors to the Capitol to roam aimlessly around the halls?  This is just another fake conspiracy theory perpetuated on the American public like the debunked Russian collusion hoax and the "find the fraud" call.   Trump is almost as old as Old Joe.  And that is saying a lot.  The concept that he would install himself as a dictator is comic book nonsense.  Laughable.  If Trump wins in 2024, the fault lies with Biden for his disastrous administration.   

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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2022, 11:23:36 PM »
If Trump wanted to be a "tyrant", why did he freely leave office?  As President, Trump was commander and chief over the greatest military force in history.  But we are supposed to believe the "insurrection" plan was to send a few hundred protestors to the Capitol to roam aimlessly around the halls?  This is just another fake conspiracy theory perpetuated on the American public like the debunked Russian collusion hoax and the "find the fraud" call.   Trump is almost as old as Old Joe.  And that is saying a lot.  The concept that he would install himself as a dictator is comic book nonsense.  Laughable.  If Trump wins in 2024, the fault lies with Biden for his disastrous administration.

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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2022, 11:42:49 PM »
Criminal Donald appeased his puppet master Putin for 4 years while doing nothing to help Ukraine. All he did was extort them for his own attempted political gain but ended up losing in a blowout defeat anyway.  Donnie was pushing Kremlin propaganda falsely accusing an innocent country Ukraine of hacking Democratic emails when it was Russia. Putin wanted Donnie to lie and say Ukraine did it and weak Donnie did what his puppet master ordered him to do. 

Trump Extorted Ukraine in 2017 and 2018 Before Getting Caught This Year

December 3, 2019


The House Intelligence Committee’s impeachment inquiry report demonstrates in exhaustive detail that President Trump and numerous aides pressured Ukraine to open investigations for Trump’s political benefit. The report describes this as “a months-long effort by President Trump to use the powers of his office to solicit foreign interference on his behalf in the 2020 election.”

But the effort almost certainly took place over years, not months. Indeed it grew directly out of the ties developed between Trump’s campaign and Russian intelligence during the 2016 campaign.

The Ukraine scandal burst into the view of Congress and the public this summer when the House Intelligence Committee obtained a whistle-blower’s report. The report focused on a July 25 phone call between President Trump and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky, and Trump’s plot to withhold military aid as leverage. But the fact that this sequence of events was exposed does not mean it is the entirety of the plot. The sequence of events instead suggests that Trump has been extorting Ukraine for his own political gain not only in 2017, but during the previous two years as well.

Begin with Trump’s notion that Ukraine, not Russia, hacked Democratic emails. This is the idea he raises in his call with Zelensky, asking his befuddled Ukrainian counterpart to locate a server that, according to this bizarre conspiracy theory, was handed by Democrats over to Ukrainians and that would prove Russia had been framed. American intelligence officials have described the theory as a Russian-backed disinformation campaign.

Where did Trump get this idea from? He seems to have first heard it in the summer of 2016, from Paul Manafort, his campaign manager. Manafort’s deputy, Rick Gates, told Robert Mueller that Manafort had been spouting the theory that Ukrainians framed Russia since the summer of 2016, and that the theory seemed to come from Manafort’s partner, Konstantin Kilimnik, who American officials believed was a Russian intelligence operative.

By April 2017, Trump was repeating this theory in public, falsely telling an Associated Press reporter that a “Ukrainian-based” company had taken the Democratic server with the stolen emails. A few months after that, Rudy Giuliani began meeting with Ukrainian officials. Giuliani recently explained that he pursued the theory that Ukraine, not Russia, had hacked Democratic emails because it would exonerate Trump. Obviously, Trump could not have colluded with Russia to exploit stolen emails if Russia hadn’t stolen the emails in the first place. “I knew they were hot and heavy on this Russian collusion thing, even though I knew 100 percent that it was false,” he told Glenn Beck. “I said to myself, ‘Hallelujah.’ I’ve got what a defense lawyer always wants: I can go prove someone else committed this crime.”

Giuliani undertook what appear to be two previous episodes of trading diplomatic favors to Ukrainians in return for steps to protect Trump from the Mueller investigation. The first apparent trade involved a meeting between Trump and Ukraine’s then-president Petro Poroshenko in return for a Ukrainian investigation that would exonerate Manafort, then a prime target of Mueller’s.

Washington Post reporter Aaron Blake summarizes the timeline:

June 8, 2017: Trump ally Rudolph W. Giuliani meets with Poroshenko and then-Prosecutor General Yuri Lutsenko.

June 9, 2017: Lutsenko’s office joins an existing investigation into the “black ledger,” which implicated former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort. The investigation had previously been handled only by Ukraine’s independent National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU), and critics alleged the new move was meant to bury the scandal.

June 14, 2017: Reports in Europe indicate Poroshenko will meet with Trump.

June 19, 2017: Spicer says Poroshenko will meet with Vice President Pence, but doesn’t confirm a meeting with Trump.

June 20, 2017: Poroshenko gets a brief “drop-in” visit with Trump. This is either a direct trade, or an exchange of mutually-beneficial actions that coincidentally occurred in very rapid succession.

The next apparent quid pro quo took place the next year. The U.S. sold desperately needed Javelin missiles to Ukraine that year, and the New York Times reported at the time that Ukraine suspended cooperation with the Mueller investigation. (This is another one of those Trump-era episodes where a credible report of shocking misconduct immediately sinks without a trace into the vast ooze of other Trumpian outrages.) “In every possible way, we will avoid irritating the top American officials,” one Ukrainian lawmaker and close ally of President Poroshenko explained to the Times.

The benefit of this move to Trump was immense. Manafort and Kilimnik were key figures in the Mueller probe. Mueller found that Manafort had slipped Kilimnik 75 pages of polling data during a meeting in the summer of 2016. Here you have proof that Trump’s campaign manager gave valuable, detailed information to a known Russian spy, at a time when the Russians were running a pro-Trump media operation. But Mueller never determined what the polling was for. And Kilimnik was able to leave Ukraine and escape to Russia, where Mueller could not interview him. A State Department document concluded that Lutsenko, who had met with Giuliani, allowed Kilimnik to leave the country.

Neither of these episodes has been investigated in anything like the depth of the 2019 episodes. But both bear all the same superficial hallmarks to what occurred this year. In both instances, Giuliani had contacts with Ukrainian officials, and traded the same things (a presidential meeting and military aid). Also in both cases, Ukraine put its famously corrupt judicial system at the disposal of Trump’s domestic interests.

In 2017 and 2018, Trump was consumed by the Mueller investigation, and seems to have pushed Ukraine to take steps to stymie it. By 2019, Giuliani had taken an interest in claims of wrongdoing by Joe Biden, and added demands for a Biden probe to his push for investigations that would exonerate Russia’s (and therefore Trump’s) behavior in 2016.

By 2019, Trump and Giuliani were barely hiding their actions. Giuliani was boasting about his activities to every reporter who would listen. And Trump was directing a growing array of officials to follow Giuliani’s lead, despite the obvious impropriety of placing American foreign policy in the hands of his private attorney who was openly working on his political behalf.

Why did they flaunt their scheme so widely and carelessly? Most likely because they had already been doing the same thing for two years.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/trump-extorted-ukraine-2017-2018-impeachment-giuliani-mueller.html

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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2022, 11:55:42 PM »
Russian state TV has become a 'darkly comic farce' as they try to blame Ukraine war tensions on Biden: report

According to a report from the Daily Beast's Russian media analyst, one would never know that Vladimir Putin has placed tanks and troops on the Russia/Ukraine border poised for an invasion if you've been watch Russian state TV.

As Julia Davis wrote, surveying the Russian media landscape as war looms is an exercise in watching hosts of the shows turn "white into black, and black into white."

"On Kremlin-funded networks, the vision of events is presented not only upside down, but backwards. Panicked pundits blame the United States and Ukraine for the escalation, claim that Russia doesn’t want the war and theatrically ponder: 'Why won’t somebody stop Biden?'" she wrote before adding, "In a bizarro world of Russia’s state media, America—which has been painstakingly attempting to prevent an escalation—is the true aggressor."

Case in point, she notes, was Russian lawmaker Oleg Morozov taking to the airwaves to warn that it is western leaders who banging the drum for war.

“I’m hoping there are people next to Biden, next to Scholz, next to the British PM, who will look at the scenarios and say, ‘If the big war with Russia’s participation were to start, it will cost Europe dearly. Think about that!’ That is my last hope, that the fear of this unpredictable situation will stop these hotheads." he lamented.

Similarly, Igor Korotchenko, editor-in-chief of the National Defense magazine, proclaimed, "The United States want this war. Their main goal is to take over Europe’s energy market. Biden could care less about the victims and their suffering, about Europe’s losses. He is realizing the plans of the American establishment," before exclaiming, "Stop Zelensky! Stop Biden!”

Writing, "If there were not so many lives hanging in the balance, you would describe current Russian state TV as a darkly comic farce," Davis added none of this unexpected, writing, "Just as the U.S. administration had warned, Russian authorities now appear to be readying themselves for the re-invasion of Ukraine under false pretexts. One of the main pretexts aggressively promoted by the Kremlin and Russia’s state media is the unfounded allegation of “genocide” of Russian speakers by the Ukrainian military."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-state-tv-is-so-ridiculous-right-now-it-looks-like-a-farce

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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2022, 12:30:00 PM »
Another security expert agrees with me. Criminal Donald was weak Russian puppet and his weakness allowed Putin to start an invasion in Ukraine.

Former top Trump Russia adviser details the sharp contrast between the former President and Biden

CNN — Fiona Hill doesn’t know whether President Joe Biden can lead Western allies to ward off Russia’s threat to Ukraine. But unlike his predecessor, he’s trying.

Hill has a special vantage point on this slow-rolling crisis that US officials say could bring war in Europe at any moment. As a White House national security aide, she advised then-President Donald Trump on Russia and Ukraine – and became a star witness in impeachment proceedings that resulted from his conduct.

Now, outside the government as a Brookings Institution senior fellow, she’s among the Russia specialists Biden has consulted as he revives foreign policy priorities shared by every president since World War II except Trump.

After Trump derided and weakened the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, Biden has rallied NATO on Ukraine’s behalf.


After Trump pressured Russia’s beleaguered neighbor for his personal benefit, Biden has steeled Americans for shared sacrifice in defense of Ukraine’s right of self-determination.

[After Trump deferred to Russian President Vladimir Putin over the US government’s own intelligence agencies, Biden has deployed those agencies’ tradecraft in a multi-pronged transatlantic effort to deter Russian aggression.

“You couldn’t get a sharper contrast,” Hill observed in an interview.

For the moment, at least, she sees Biden’s approach paying some dividends.

As described in her recent memoir, There Is Nothing For You Here, Hill followed an unusual path to becoming one of America’s leading experts on Russia. Raised in a working-class family in Britain, she parlayed academic scholarships into advanced degrees from Harvard and an analyst’s job at the National Intelligence Council beginning in 2006 during President George W. Bush’s administration.

Witnessing Britain’s industrial decline helped her understand the populist appeals Trump rode to the White House. But the celebrity real-estate developer’s handling of foreign policy in the Oval Office – driven not by expertise or the national interest but by his personal experiences, impulses and interests – was like nothing Hill or her national security colleagues had ever seen.

“There’s no Team America for Trump,” Hill recalled. “Not once did I see him do anything to put America first. Not once. Not for a single second.”

It showed in Trump’s praise for the authoritarian leader of Russia, an American adversary that had boosted his finances as a business executive. It showed in his reluctance to embrace America’s mutual defense commitments to European allies, which for decades have constrained Russian behavior; instead, Trump treated NATO as what Hill called a “protection racket.”

Most notoriously, it showed in Trump’s attempt to squeeze Ukraine’s President for manufactured dirt on Biden to help his 2020 election campaign. He held up American military aid as a political lever as Ukraine faced the long-running Russian military threat that now has the entire world on edge.


“All this did was say to Russia that Ukraine was a playground,” Hill said.

At home, Trump softened Republicans’ once-hawkish approach to Russia. Today, the leading Fox News hosts and other conservative voices – “the ultimate stooges,” as Hill calls them – buttress Russian arguments as armed conflict looms.

Yet even friendly foreign counterparts found limitations in Trump’s scattershot style, which for Hill evokes the old saw about “playing chess with a pigeon.” Russia’s bid to upend the post-Cold War security order in Europe, beginning in 2008 with its invasion of Georgia and continuing with its 2014 seizure of Crimea – requires a steadier negotiating partner.

“Ultimately Putin wants some kind of deal,” Hill said. “They think Biden is the kind of president who could actually make a deal. Trump never could.”

So far, Biden has held NATO allies together in rejecting Russia’s core demands, bolstering their forces in Europe and threatening punishing sanctions even though they guarantee domestic economic blowback. Steeped in decades of bipartisan foreign policy consensus, the Democratic President has also drawn support from top Republicans such as Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell who have shunned Trump’s embrace of Putin.

That demonstration of resolve has at minimum made Putin stop and think. Biden has warned for weeks that Russia could launch a new invasion of Ukraine at any time. It hasn’t yet.

“They might have thought we were going to crumble, and we didn’t,” said Hill, who became an American citizen twenty years ago. “It might have deterred a full-scale invasion. Now (Putin) is basically recalibrating, recalculating.”

But durable success for Biden and European allies will depend on staying power. Even if Russian tanks don’t roll across the border, Hill envisions an extended “boa constrictor” siege in which Putin applies escalating pressure in hopes of bending Ukraine to Russia’s will.

“The real challenge is keeping everyone together for a considerable period,” Hill concluded. “It’s going to go on a long time.”

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/20/politics/fiona-hill-donald-trump-joe-biden/index.html

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