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Online Joe Elliott

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The Ukraine and U. S. Elections
« on: February 15, 2022, 02:59:42 AM »

The Ukraine and U. S. Elections

An invasion by Russia of the Ukraine would never have happen if Trump was still President. That is because the last thing Putin would want, is to get in the way of Trump becoming President for Life.

The ultimate achievement of Russia is to help destroy Democracy around the world. Don’t kid yourself. Democracy is a threat to dictatorships, just by their mere existence. The Soviet Union collapsed due to nothing more than too many people seeing how much better life can be under democracy. The authoritarians have managed to wretch back control from the Russian people, but democracy is always going to be a threat to them.

Democracy is even more dangerous if it hits too close to home. If nothing else, they can always argue that perhaps democracy works for some people, but can never work for Slavic people. Ukraine is not yet a full democracy, but it might evolve into one. This must be stopped at all costs. Invading the Ukraine will put a stop to that long term danger.

And as an important side benefit, such an invasion may discredit, in the eyes of gullible Americans, Biden, and help bolster Trump. The Russians know the all-important mid-term primaries and elections are coming up this year. Getting Trump’s candidates elected, particularly for the Secretary of State positions in several states, is key for Trump getting “elected” in 2024. If elected again, he will seek to secure his position permanently, by controlling voting. His sons can alternate with him and each other every eight years. A permanent dictatorship is not out of the question. If this happens, this will be Russia’s greatest accomplishment.

I think the invasion will not come before the Olympics are over, so we have at least another week. But it will come before the primaries this year. Despite the risks, this is too historical an opportunity for Putin to pass up.

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Offline Rick Plant

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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2022, 06:43:47 AM »
4 years of weak Criminal Donald allowed Putin to be in this position to invade Ukraine. Putin always wanted to weaken Europe, Canada, and the United States. And the fascist right wants to end democracy as well. We saw that leading up to 1/6 with Trump's coup and now in Canada with the illegal blockades trying to bring down the Canadian economy. I remember when Republicans were against the USSR and now they slobber over Putin and all of Trump's criminals have Russian ties. It's a total disgrace when right wing Republicans support a Russian dictator and dream of an authoritarian rule in the United States led by a falied businessman orange criminal con artist.                   

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2022, 04:13:02 PM »

4 years of weak Criminal Donald allowed Putin to be in this position to invade Ukraine. Putin always wanted to weaken Europe, Canada, and the United States. And the fascist right wants to end democracy as well. We saw that leading up to 1/6 with Trump's coup and now in Canada with the illegal blockades trying to bring down the Canadian economy. I remember when Republicans were against the USSR and now they slobber over Putin and all of Trump's criminals have Russian ties. It's a total disgrace when right wing Republicans support a Russian dictator and dream of an authoritarian rule in the United States led by a falied businessman orange criminal con artist.                 

Agreed. Trump held up aid to the Ukraine in exchange for the Ukraine to present a case against Hunter Biden. It didn’t matter if the case was bogus or not so long as they made it. This would encourage Russia when it seemed that the U. S. cared so little about the Ukraine. Certainly, Trump didn’t.

Yes, both the extreme left and right want to end democracy. I don’t know. Is Putin still on the extreme left? It doesn’t matter to me. A dictator is a dictator. Both left-wing and right-wing dictators are equally dangerous to democracies.

And yes, I never thought I would see the day that some Republican and Republican news anchors would support a Russian dictator. As Obama once said “What the hell happened to the Republican Party?”. But it actually does make sense. Russia is now more of a right-wing dictatorship, not a left-wing dictatorship. It appears to be more capitalist than a socialist country. So, if an American politician or anchorman wants America to become a right-wing dictatorship, why not throw some love at a Russian right-wing dictator?

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2022, 04:35:42 PM »
The Ukraine and U. S. Elections

An invasion by Russia of the Ukraine would never have happen if Trump was still President. That is because the last thing Putin would want, is to get in the way of Trump becoming President for Life.

The ultimate achievement of Russia is to help destroy Democracy around the world. Don’t kid yourself. Democracy is a threat to dictatorships, just by their mere existence. The Soviet Union collapsed due to nothing more than too many people seeing how much better life can be under democracy. The authoritarians have managed to wretch back control from the Russian people, but democracy is always going to be a threat to them.

Democracy is even more dangerous if it hits too close to home. If nothing else, they can always argue that perhaps democracy works for some people, but can never work for Slavic people. Ukraine is not yet a full democracy, but it might evolve into one. This must be stopped at all costs. Invading the Ukraine will put a stop to that long term danger.

And as an important side benefit, such an invasion may discredit, in the eyes of gullible Americans, Biden, and help bolster Trump. The Russians know the all-important mid-term primaries and elections are coming up this year. Getting Trump’s candidates elected, particularly for the Secretary of State positions in several states, is key for Trump getting “elected” in 2024. If elected again, he will seek to secure his position permanently, by controlling voting. His sons can alternate with him and each other every eight years. A permanent dictatorship is not out of the question. If this happens, this will be Russia’s greatest accomplishment.

I think the invasion will not come before the Olympics are over, so we have at least another week. But it will come before the primaries this year. Despite the risks, this is too historical an opportunity for Putin to pass up.

So it's a bad thing that a war would have been avoided had Trump still been President?  That's an odd twist of logic.  And you believe the Russians are motivated to invade Ukraine by American politics and not centuries of their own history and self-interest?  LOL.  Putin is laughing at weak Biden with his "strongly worded letters."   Biden and his military contractors are down on their knees praying for a war that might distract from the endless disasters under the Biden administration that will allow them to funnel billions to their defense contractor/lobbyists.  Imagine the democrats clamoring for war and hating Russia?  Times have really changed since they criticized Reagan for suggesting the USSR was an "evil empire."

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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2022, 12:07:45 AM »
Agreed. Trump held up aid to the Ukraine in exchange for the Ukraine to present a case against Hunter Biden. It didn’t matter if the case was bogus or not so long as they made it. This would encourage Russia when it seemed that the U. S. cared so little about the Ukraine. Certainly, Trump didn’t.

Yes, both the extreme left and right want to end democracy. I don’t know. Is Putin still on the extreme left? It doesn’t matter to me. A dictator is a dictator. Both left-wing and right-wing dictators are equally dangerous to democracies.

And yes, I never thought I would see the day that some Republican and Republican news anchors would support a Russian dictator. As Obama once said “What the hell happened to the Republican Party?”. But it actually does make sense. Russia is now more of a right-wing dictatorship, not a left-wing dictatorship. It appears to be more capitalist than a socialist country. So, if an American politician or anchorman wants America to become a right-wing dictatorship, why not throw some love at a Russian right-wing dictator?

Criminal Donald knew he would lose to Joe Biden which is why he exorted Ukraine in order to get them to lie about a bogus "investigation" into the Biden's to damage him politically. A portion of the phone call was made public and the rest of it they hid so nobody could access it.

Patriots like Alex Vindman who heard the treason on the call came forward to tell us what he witnessed. The right wing media and the GOP smeared this man calling him a "traitor" for not covering up Criminal Donald's crime. The GOP then protected Criminal Donald and let him off the hook for his crime during impeachment.

I agree, the far left wing is no different than the right. Both are extreme and hate the government wanting to burn it all down.

Money and power is all that matters to these fascist Republicans and these wealthy Russian oligarchs are funneling dirty Russian money to the GOP. So, it's no surprise that they back Putin and speak highly of him. You have traitors like right wing conspiracy theorist Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson going to Moscow on the 4th of July, and when he comes back to America, he immediately starts talking about easing Russian sanctions. How obvious is that?

And we have a right wing media that glorifies dictators like moron Commie Carlson as he pushes nothing but Russian propaganda to the sheep.

The Republican Party has been inching towards extremism since the 1980's until they became full blown fascists under Criminal Donald. Everything the GOP promotes is derived from the Putin and Hitler playbook.

Putin wants to damage President Biden politically because he wants another weak Republican puppet in office again. Invading Ukraine will send oil prices skyrocketing and will cause an oil shortage. I'm sure the right wing media and GOP politicians already have their Russian propaganda talking points ready to go so they can blame President Biden.                     

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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2022, 02:25:19 PM »
Criminal Donald knew he would lose to Joe Biden which is why he exorted Ukraine in order to get them to lie about a bogus "investigation" into the Biden's to damage him politically. A portion of the phone call was made public and the rest of it they hid so nobody could access it.

Patriots like Alex Vindman who heard the treason on the call came forward to tell us what he witnessed. The right wing media and the GOP smeared this man calling him a "traitor" for not covering up Criminal Donald's crime. The GOP then protected Criminal Donald and let him off the hook for his crime during impeachment.

I agree, the far left wing is no different than the right. Both are extreme and hate the government wanting to burn it all down.

Money and power is all that matters to these fascist Republicans and these wealthy Russian oligarchs are funneling dirty Russian money to the GOP. So, it's no surprise that they back Putin and speak highly of him. You have traitors like right wing conspiracy theorist Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson going to Moscow on the 4th of July, and when he comes back to America, he immediately starts talking about easing Russian sanctions. How obvious is that?

And we have a right wing media that glorifies dictators like moron Commie Carlson as he pushes nothing but Russian propaganda to the sheep.

The Republican Party has been inching towards extremism since the 1980's until they became full blown fascists under Criminal Donald. Everything the GOP promotes is derived from the Putin and Hitler playbook.

Putin wants to damage President Biden politically because he wants another weak Republican puppet in office again. Invading Ukraine will send oil prices skyrocketing and will cause an oil shortage. I'm sure the right wing media and GOP politicians already have their Russian propaganda talking points ready to go so they can blame President Biden.                   

We should send Hunter over to sort it out since he is apparently an expert on Ukraine, and already on their payroll.  The "big guy" is also getting ten percent.  Time for them to earn their Ukrainian paychecks.

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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2022, 06:11:20 PM »

So it's a bad thing that a war would have been avoided had Trump still been President?  That's an odd twist of logic.

No. The bad thing is that is Trump was still President, he would be well on the way to becoming President for Life. Making certain elections won’t put him out of office. Having his sons alternate with him every 8 years, and with each other after he is gone. There would be no getting rid of them. That’s the problem with continuing to supporting a man who wants to remain President regardless of the election result.

If ten years from now, the MAGA people start to think that maybe the Trumps aren’t that great, guess what? It’s too late. They have already abdicated their control of the government. Something that a free people must never do. Go ask the Germans how well that worked out for them when they abdicated their control in 1933.

I think Ukraine would be safer under Trump than anyone else. Not because of his strong stance against Russia, which he never demonstrated, but because Putin didn’t want to cause Trump any major problems and wants to cause as much trouble for Biden or anyone else who succeeds Trump, in order to help Trump in his quest to have him and his family control American permanently.

I greatly prefer Trump out of office because I value America remaining a democracy over Ukraine being given a chance to develop a democracy. But I would certainly prefer Ukraine to be given that chance. But it appears Putin is determined to not let that happen and he has the bigger army. The Soviet Union and not Russia has had the most powerful army in Europe since 1943. Trump, nor anyone else is going to change that. I expect bad news starting shortly after the close of the Olympics.

And you believe the Russians are motivated to invade Ukraine by American politics and not centuries of their own history and self-interest?  LOL.  Putin is laughing at weak Biden with his "strongly worded letters."   Biden and his military contractors are down on their knees praying for a war that might distract from the endless disasters under the Biden administration that will allow them to funnel billions to their defense contractor/lobbyists.  Imagine the democrats clamoring for war and hating Russia?  Times have really changed since they criticized Reagan for suggesting the USSR was an "evil empire."

I think Putin (not “the Russians”, they no longer have control of their government) is primarily motivated by not allowing a democratic Ukraine. If this is allowed, and becomes prosperous, it could help cause the collapse of the Russian dictatorship, just as the prosperous Western Europe helped cause the collapse of the Soviet Union. But, yes, a secondary motive, no what he can to help Trump get back in power. That is highly desirable as well, for Putin.

It is absurd for many Republicans and commentators, like Tucker Carlson, to argue that Ukraine and NATO are the bad guys, Russia is the good. Yes, Reagan was right, the USSR and now Russia are the bad guys. There governments have always been so, except for a brief gap between the collapse of the Soviet Union and the election of Putin. They have become bad again ever since the Russian people decided it was best to abdicated control by electing Putin.

By the way, I take it that you still want Trump again as President. You are not concerned about the American people abdicating their control of the government, if they put back into power one who declares every election that goes against him a “fraud” and may have the power, in the future, to override that election. And any other election he loses. You fell no concern about this, correct? Or am I wrong about this.

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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2022, 09:16:13 PM »
4 years of weak Criminal Donald allowed Putin to be in this position to invade Ukraine. Putin always wanted to weaken Europe, Canada, and the United States. And the fascist right wants to end democracy as well. We saw that leading up to 1/6 with Trump's coup and now in Canada with the illegal blockades trying to bring down the Canadian economy. I remember when Republicans were against the USSR and now they slobber over Putin and all of Trump's criminals have Russian ties. It's a total disgrace when right wing Republicans support a Russian dictator and dream of an authoritarian rule in the United States led by a falied businessman orange criminal con artist.                 

Your moronic analysis of the situation in Ukraine is exactly why Americans should stay the hell out of European affairs. It has to be duplicitous partisan politics in your case to not acknowledge the last time Putin invaded Ukraine was on Obama's term as president. You're either unaware of this fact or stupidly up to your neck of brainwashing bias. Meanwhile, in reality, the truth is: Donetsk and Crimea were taken control of by Putin because USA had a completely ineffectual piss poor leader at the time. And guess what, it's happening again - now on Biden's spombleprofglidnoctobunsshow.

How does this happen during both Biden and Obama's terms in power? Why do they share the same commonality when it comes to letting Putin take control of Ukraine? Very interesting question. And I'd like an answer to this mystifying inability of both Biden and Obama to do as they say when it comes to preventing Putin terrorizing Europe. Seems that these democrat scumbags always point the finger at Russia and say Putin is a tyrant. But they also appear to let the man do just exactly as he pleases.

Not that for one moment I think you have a clue about anything happening in Ukraine. You still think the root of all USA's problems are Donald Trump. Clown world!


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