Are these two photos legit?

[Richard Smith]

Endless insults is right!.... Why do you continue to insult people with your utter nonsense ?.....Even a little kid would know that some of the stuff you present is utter rubbish.....and yet you apparently think we are all so stupid that we would believe your BS.   Now that's a real insult....

Can you show us a photo that shows no assassin in the 6th floor window at 12:30?  That is apparently your standard of proof despite having at least six different witness who confirmed a person in that window at the moment of the assassination along with fired bullet casings found by that window.  You suggest, however, that a photo is necessary to prove this.  The same mislogic applies to any claim that there was no one in the window at that moment.  So we await your photo. 

[Walt Cakebread]

Can you show us a photo that shows no assassin in the 6th floor window at 12:30?  That is apparently your standard of proof despite having at least six different witness who confirmed a person in that window at the moment of the assassination along with fired bullet casings found by that window.  You suggest, however, that a photo is necessary to prove this.  The same mislogic applies to any claim that there was no one in the window at that moment.  So we await your photo.

Can you show us a photo that shows no assassin in the 6th floor window at 12:30?

Yes!! It's the Dillard Photo , and  it's been posted hundreds of times......  The problem with the Powell  / Dillard photos is:.... Folks simply will not believe their eyes....

Tom Dillard snapped the photo DURING the shooting  ( the first shot got his attention , just as the first shot alerted officer Marrion Baker )  Dillard looked up, just as Baker had looked up, and Dillard saw a man behind a fifth floor window (BRW) and he snapped the shutter.   What Dillard captured on film was the FACT that there was NOBODY aiming a rifle out of that sixth floor window at that time.

As the title for the thread asks..... "Are these two photos  legit"    The answer is YES indeed they are....And they speak volumes.

The FBI kept the Powell photo hidden from us for over ten years.    Ask yourself WHY ?   

I believe the answer is because it reveals the truth ....  When comparing the shadows in the Powell and Dillard Photos,  The shadows from the sun reveal that the Powell photo was taken BEFORE the Dillard photo.    The sun doesn't lie....but men do.

I'm sure many of you will immediately respond to my allegation with  " but that doesn't make any sense!"   ...Why would Powell take a photo of the TSBD BEFORE the murder?     My reply is:   For the same reason they used the Back Yard photo...... It seems to show the patsy Lee Oswald with the murder weapon.

I ask you to open your eyes and LOOK at the Powell photo...... Is there anything in that photo that could be used as "proof" that the killer fired a rifle from that sixth floor window? 





 

[John Iacoletti]

Can you show us a photo that shows no assassin in the 6th floor window at 12:30?

LOL. There he goes again, trying to shift the burden.

That is apparently your standard of proof despite having at least six different witness who confirmed a person in that window at the moment of the assassination

More “Richard” BS. Name them.

[Walt Cakebread]

Maybe Ten-Watt is using this scan of the Powell slide:



It has a lot of diffusion in the white areas, making the strip above Williams appear to be thicker. The windows and white trim on the shaded side of the building have a glow.

This one not so much glare in the white areas:



This Allen photo, taken after both Dillard and Powell, show little change in the window strip that was above Williams in the Dillard photo.

It has a lot of diffusion in the white areas, making the strip above Williams appear to be thicker. The windows and white trim on the shaded side of the building have a glow.

Watta pile of BS.... If " diffusion" is what made the white strip "thicker" in the Powell photo then it would be even thicker in the Allan photo....

[Walt Cakebread]

The table shows the sun position from 12:20-12:40. Azimuth changes almost 6 degrees over this short time span, while altitude changes very little. The animation simulates a view similar to Powell’s view. There is no noticeable change in the window shadow over this time period. I don’t know why there is an apparent difference between Dillard and Powell, but it is not due to sun position the best I can tell.

Thanks for posting the table, James.

The table shows that the vertical angle to he sun changed little during the twenty minutes ( 12:20 - 12:40 ) but the white strip beneath the bottom of the window sash above BRW's head  definitely shows a noticeable change when comparing the Powell and Dillard photos.

And the "experts" tell us that the two photo were taken just seconds apart....   I'm sure the sun doesn't lie....

[Walt Cakebread]

I’m sure this has been discussed before...
If these two photos are legit, how are the different “sniper nest" box setups explained?

AND if the president is going by, why would anyone take a picture of these two guys on the fifth floor?
Who took both photos?

Compare the horizontal white strip of the window sash above BRW's head in both photos ......The wider strip would indicate that the sun was lower in the sky.    ( Conversely, the narrower strip would mean that the sun was higher in the sky.  )   

If the Powell and Dillard Photos were taken within just 30 seconds of each other, then there should be NO noticeable difference of the width of that white strip....But it is obviously wider in the Powell photo....

[Dan O'meara]

I was referencing the two OP photos taken just after the assassination.  There is no conceivable reason for anyone to have moved some boxes between those photos in the moments after the assassination.  No one has articulated any such explanation.

I know what you were referencing.
I was referencing the same OP photos.
That BRW is pretty much in the same position in both photos strongly indicates the pics were taken seconds apart and not minutes apart.
As such, the idea that boxes were moved around in the seconds between the pictures seems nonsensical.

In terms of the investigation, the 6th floor was full of boxes.  The DPD no doubt moved some items in their search for evidence.  I'm not sure that is incompetence given that they had to search the building to figure out what had happened.  Maybe it would be done differently today but we also have six decades of hindsight to criticize.  They were working blind in the moment.

The second Mooney stepped into the SN and realized the shots had been fired from there, that whole area became a crime scene and should have been protected as such until the Crime Lab arrived to document and analyse the crime scene.
In a truly staggering display of investigative incompetence:

1) The Sniper's Nest, the barricade specifically constructed by the assassin to hide his location during the shooting, WAS NOT PHOTOGRAPHED/DOCUMENTED IN IT'S ORIGINAL POSITION. At least one stack of boxes had been removed before any photos were taken.

2) The Sniper's Perch, the arrangement of boxes used by the assassin to rest the rifle on, WAS NOT PHOTOGRAPHED/DOCUMENTED IN IT'S ORIGINAL POSITION. Instead, re-staged photographs of these boxes were entered as evidence.

3) The long paper sack supposedly used to carry the rifle in WAS NOT PHOTOGRAPHED/DOCUMENTED IN IT'S ORIGINAL POSITION. Instead, a photograph with a drawing on it of where the bag might have been was entered as evidence.

4) Bonnie Ray Williams' lunch remains WERE NOT PHOTOGRAPHED/DOCUMENTED IN THEIR ORIGINAL POSITION. Instead, the half-eaten piece of chicken, initially discovered on top of one of the stacks that formed the SN, was placed in the lunch sack (also initially discovered on the same stack) and moved around 25ft away, where it was stuffed down the side of a two-wheeler trolley.

There is also very strong testimonial evidence that the empty shells were moved before being photographed by the Crime Lab.
Not one piece of evidence pertaining to the location of the assassination was documented correctly. It was the murder of the President and it was the worst investigation possible.
You might put this down to it being the 1960's, but to imagine there weren't certain standards and protocols in place regarding the investigation of a homicide, during the '60's, demonstrates a massive amount of naivety on your behalf.

It is possibly the worst, most staggeringly incompetent investigation of a murder I have ever heard of. That you can brush it off so easily says a lot about you and how you view this case.

I don't see anything they did as influencing the conclusion that Oswald was the assassin.  When all is said and done, Oswald's rifle was left at the crime scene.  Fired bullet casings from that rifle were found by the window from which the shots were fired.

I don't see anything they did as influencing the conclusion that Oswald was the assassin

Of course you don't, you're a zealot. You are completely blinkered to anything that challenges your spoon-fed beliefs.

When all is said and done, Oswald's rifle was left at the crime scene.

What a perfect way to frame someone.