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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Are these two photos legit?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2022, 02:34:03 AM »

The photo below was also taken on the day of the assassination... Here’s the info:
Original black and white photographic negative taken by Dallas Times Herald staff photographer William Allen. This image shows the exterior of the Texas School Book Depository the afternoon of November 22, 1963, after the assassination. Many police officers stand around the entrance and southeast corner of the building. An unidentified man in a white shirt bends over a box visible in the open southeast corner window on the sixth floor.


I wonder how close in perspective this photo is compared to the Dillard and Powell photos?


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Dillard would be close to the position of the car traveling down Elm Street in Allen’s photo. Camera car #3 was an open convertible and Dillard was in the front right seat.
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Offline Jake Maxwell

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Re: Are these two photos legit?
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2022, 02:39:01 AM »
The gifs are great...

The Allen photo (and Powell photo) seems less steep of a perspective... than Dillard...

I can see how the boxes might not show up in Dillard...

Offline Jake Maxwell

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Re: Are these two photos legit?
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2022, 03:30:05 AM »
Some of you are so well-read in these matters, you might have seen this before... but this adds a little wrinkle to the “boxes in the window” discussion... Very interesting... This Congressional Committee made the determination that the boxes were moved in the interval between the Dillard and Powell photographs (see para #270 below)... Interesting...

The following is from:
Investigation of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy / Volume 6
By United States. Congress. House. Select Committee on Assassinations (1979)


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The source for the following is linked below the quote (JFK.hood.edu....) I’m not certain if this is from the Committee report, but it does seem to summarize and conclude on the same note...:

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http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/JFK%20Assassination%20Photos%20Book/Pages%20301-350.pdf
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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Are these two photos legit?
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2022, 03:41:50 PM »
Some of you are so well-read in these matters, you might have seen this before... but this adds a little wrinkle to the “boxes in the window” discussion... Very interesting... This Congressional Committee made the determination that the boxes were moved in the interval between the Dillard and Powell photographs (see para #270 below)... Interesting...

The following is from:
Investigation of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy / Volume 6
By United States. Congress. House. Select Committee on Assassinations (1979)


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The source for the following is linked below the quote (JFK.hood.edu....) I’m not certain if this is from the Committee report, but it does seem to summarize and conclude on the same note...:

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http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/JFK%20Assassination%20Photos%20Book/Pages%20301-350.pdf

A look at the U.S. Naval Observatory's data for Dallas, TX at 12:30pm on 11/22/63 shows the exact position of the sun:

#declare alt[ 383]=  37.0 ; #declare azimuth[ 383]= 184.9;#declare time[ 383]= "12:30"

Simple trigonometry shows that with the clear weather and the height and orientation of the windows, that the boxes in question, in the article you posted, would be lit by the sunshine. I don't know why the study didn't take all of the factors into consideration. It appears that they make some assumptions that are entirely incorrect.

Here's an image using my 3D virtual model with the sun located properly for 12:30pm on 11/22/63. This is from just west of the sniper's nest looking east into the nest. This should give you a rough idea of the situation. And yes, I have verified the sun position is correct.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Are these two photos legit?
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2022, 11:38:07 PM »
This Congressional Committee made the determination that the boxes were moved in the interval between the Dillard and Powell photographs

Exactly.  So what's the excuse, Nutters?  Is this another case of the HSCA photo panel being right, except when they are not?

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Re: Are these two photos legit?
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2022, 08:57:00 PM »
Maybe the photos show slightly different perspectives.
Do you really think? Maybe one was taken with a drone... The other with a 20 foot tripod.
Which one do you like the most?

Online Charles Collins

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Re: Are these two photos legit?
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2022, 02:43:37 PM »
Exactly.  So what's the excuse, Nutters?  Is this another case of the HSCA photo panel being right, except when they are not?

If you think they were right, show us. Otherwise, you are just being your usual self and contributing nothing of substance.