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Online Mark Valenti

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Re: Eugene Hale Brading - Call him Mister Coincidence
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2018, 03:12:53 PM »
Yet ANOTHER Brading/Braden coincidence.

On August 20, 1952, Brading was forcibly escorted out of Dallas by none other than famed Sheriff Bill Decker, seen here with Jack Ruby.
 

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Re: Eugene Hale Brading - Call him Mister Coincidence
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Online Mark Valenti

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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2018, 03:17:38 PM »
ANOTHER Brading/Braden coincidence:

In 1951, Braden's criminal partner, Victor Pereira, swindled a wealthy widow out of thousands of dollars when he married her. Gertrude Joyce won a settlement against Pereira, which he contested.

Mrs. Joyce won the case, which was administered by Judge Sarah T. Hughes, who later administered the oath of office to LBJ on Air Force One.

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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2018, 08:38:57 PM »
Was Brading held for serious questioning or just a quick detainment?

I wonder if the DPD even bothered to verify his claims or if they went and looked to see if he was where he said he was in that building... and I guess they didn't check him for gunpowder residue.?

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Re: Eugene Hale Brading - Call him Mister Coincidence
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2018, 08:45:27 PM »
Brading had changed his name to Jim Braden a few weeks before the assassination. Therefore, the Dallas cops had no way to link him to his extensive criminal background, even the crimes he had committed in Dallas.

They held him briefly and let him go. He allegedly caught a ride to the airport with two Secret Service agents.

** Correction - the Secret Service agents gave him a ride back to the Cabana Motel, not the airport.
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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2018, 10:56:54 PM »
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Brading had changed his name to Jim Braden a few weeks before the assassination. Therefore, the Dallas cops had no way to link him to his extensive criminal background, even the crimes he had committed in Dallas.

They held him briefly and let him go. He allegedly caught a ride to the airport with two Secret Service agents.

Hey, Mark.  Hypothetical.  Given that you posted Decker forcibly escorted Brading out of Dallas
in 52, do you think anything would have been different if Decker DID encounter Braden
that day when he was being questioned?  No records of who interrogated Braden that day, correct? 
Also, in regards to your last sentence ...  I think Steve Thomas would be interested in the possibility
of two SS agents bringing him to the airport.  He's trying to establish where they all were that day.
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Online Mark Valenti

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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2018, 11:34:16 PM »
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Hey, Mark.  Hypothetical.  Given that you posted Decker forcibly escorted Brading out of Dallas
in 52, do you think anything would have been different if Decker DID encounter Braden
that day when he was being questioned?  No records of who interrogated Braden that day, correct? 
Also, in regards to your last sentence ...  I think Steve Thomas would be interested in the possibility
of two SS agents bringing him to the airport.  He's trying to establish where they all were that day.

I don't believe that Decker only encountered Brading in 1952. Brading lived in Dallas off and on over the years. His mother died in his home there in 1952, indicating something more permanent than a grifter's hotel room.


The con that Brading and his partner pulled on unsuspecting widows went on for some time - these mug shots are from 1951, and the case wasn't finalized until 1953. That's a long time for a criminal to be on the radar of a hands-on Sheriff.

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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2018, 04:49:35 AM »
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I don't believe that Decker only encountered Brading in 1952. Brading lived in Dallas off and on over the years. His mother died in his home there in 1952, indicating something more permanent than a grifter's hotel room.


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What do you mean by, coincidences? When Brading's brother's (Rome Brading) best friend H. Allen Smith
visited New York City for the first time, he wrote in his book that he stayed with his friend John Moynihan who happened to have a son, Patrick, who happened to be the only sub-cabinet official expressing concern for Oswald's security
in the Dallas City Jail.

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November 22, 1955
Tipton and Miami County News Hospitalize Woman After Hit-and-Run PERU—(Tribune Area Special)— Mrs. Tina Sparks, 73. of Rochester B.R. 2, suffered a cerebral hemorrhage about noon Monday as the result of a hit and run accident The for which, officers report, she was responsible. It was reported that a car driven by ....

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Mark, EH Brading did not care for his dying mother in his Dallas home in 1956. The obit of Tina Guthrie Brading Sparks
describes her son, P Eugene Brading.: .............................

Brading's mother Tina Guthrie Sparks died in Sept., 1956. In November, 1955, she was driving her car in Indiana,
sideswiped a parked truck and did not stop and then sideswiped a semi-trailer truck, came to a stop and took a cab
ride home. She was diagnosed with a cerebral hemorrhage as a cause of stroke.

Brading's brother, Rome, ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ) about seven years older, is mentioned in Mrs. Sparks' obituary....

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Feb 25, 1976 - .....

H. Allen Smith had two best friends, Eugene Hale Brading's brother, Rome, and Daniel Patrick Monyihan's father, John!

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The Jury deliberated for about one hour.. A similar charge is pending against Allen Smith but the time for the 1.. t... h.An J a lng has not yet been announced. , 1 " It was thought that Brading's age made ' a considerable Impression on. the Jury. - He Is eighteen years of age and a high school student. It Is probable that a large

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Daniel Patrick Moynihan: Ruling Class Hero
How the diplomat turned 1976 New York Senate contender became a credit to his race
By Timothy Crouse
August 12, 1976
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It is possible that Pat Moynihan got his political magnetism from his father and his ambition from his mother. John Moynihan was a tall, red-haired, well-read newspaperman from Jeffersonville, Indiana, and his best friend on this earth was H. Allen Smith (who later made a name for himself as one of the country's sharpest and most graceful humorists). "John and I were Hoosier sybarites," Smith wrote of his early years with Moynihan.

John Moynihan soon displayed early symptoms of chronic wanderlust, moving from one newspaper to the next, often sending for Smith to join him. In the mid-1920s, each man took a wife; Moynihan married Margaret Phipps, the sharp-tongued daughter of a successful Indiana trial attorney. Moynihan sired three children who tended to interfere with his lifestyle. On March 17th, 1927, he became the father of Daniel Patrick Aloysius Moynihan, who was soon followed by Michael Moynihan (now a New York public relations man with an office a block from the Plaza Hotel) and Ellen Moynihan (now a divorced housewife living in Arlington, Virginia).

Six months after Pat was born, the family moved from Tulsa, Oklahoma, to New York, where Joseph Kennedy Sr. had hired John Moynihan to write publicity for RKO at $15 a week. Soon he was making better money, and the family lived a comfortable, quasi-suburban existence first in New Jersey and then in Crystal Gardens, a middle-class section of Astoria. But the marriage slowly disintegrated. With his taste for drink and horses, John Moynihan did not get along with his demanding wife and chafed at the responsibilities of supporting a family; eventually he moved out of the house. One day when Pat was 11, John Moynihan vanished — moved on and left no forwarding address. Pat never laid eyes on his father again......

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Moynihan Foresaw Oswald Death, Warned Officials of Dallas Danger
NO WRITER ATTRIBUTED March 25, 1967

The day after the assassination of John F. Kennedy '40, Daniel P. Moynihan, now director of the Harvard-M.I.T. Joint Center for Urban Studies, sensed the possible murder of alleged assassin Lee Harvey Oswald if he remained in Dallas.

The then Under Secretary of Labor pleaded futilely with Washington officials to move Oswald from the city, William Manchester revealed in this week's issue of Look magazine.

"He had been the one member of the subcabinet who had foreseen disaster in the jail basement," Manchester said
, in an article describing his struggle to write and publish The Death of a President, his controversial history of the assassination.

When contacted yesterday, Moynihan confirmed the events described by Manchester, but declined further comment.
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Re: Eugene Hale Brading - Call him Mister Coincidence
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2018, 01:25:22 PM »
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What do you mean by, coincidences? When Brading's brother's (Rome Brading) best friend H. Allen Smith
visited New York City for the first time, he wrote in his book that he stayed with his friend John Moynihan who happened to have a son, Patrick, who happened to be the only sub-cabinet official expressing concern for Oswald's security
in the Dallas City Jail.

Brading's mother Tina Guthrie Sparks died in Sept., 1956. In November, 1955, she was driving her car in Indiana,
sideswiped a parked truck and did not stop and then sideswiped a semi-trailer truck, came to a stop and took a cab
ride home. She was diagnosed with a cerebral hemorrhage as a cause of stroke.

Brading's brother, Rome, ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ) about seven years older, is mentioned in Mrs. Sparks' obituary....

H. Allen Smith had two best friends, Eugene Hale Brading's brother, Rome, and Daniel Patrick Monyihan's father, John!


So Brading's mother was hit by a car in Indiana and was then transported to her son Eugene's home in Dallas, where she lingered for six weeks before dying.

Interesting stuff re: Rome and Moynihan.

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Re: Eugene Hale Brading - Call him Mister Coincidence
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2018, 03:17:08 PM »
** Correction - the Secret Service agents gave him a ride back to the Cabana Motel, not the airport.

Hey, Mark.  If true, this guy must have been the smoothest talker who ever lived.
I mean, the President had just been shot dead and what else can an SS agent think
of doing, while the investigation was still taking place, than give a guy a ride back to his motel.
Very commendable ... unless ... if true ...
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Online Mark Valenti

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Re: Eugene Hale Brading - Call him Mister Coincidence
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2018, 03:21:44 PM »
Braden/Brading went on to live a life of leisure. He was a talented sport fisherman, he won numerous golf tournaments, golfed with celebrities in pro-am matches. Scammed his way to the top and stayed there.

But what was he really doing in Dallas in '63?


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