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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2022, 09:08:47 PM »
Why? Maybe Oswald didn't actually hear any shooting. He see's a cop and presumes some kind of search is underway. Simple.

So how do you explain this in the Bookhout-Hosty interrogation report, which covers the same interrogation session?-----------------

"OSWALD claimed to be on the first floor when President JOHN F. KENNEDY passed this building"

And how do you explain this in Agent Hosty's draft report for the selfsame session?---------------



Via the phrase "At the time of the search...", Agent Bookhout's later solo report skirts around the relationship between Mr Oswald's claimed movements and the time of the assassination, and with good reason---------------the report is putting into the now dead Mr Oswald's mouth confirmation of a post-assassination lunchroom encounter invented by the 'investigating' authorities desperate to pin the shooting on Mr Oswald

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2022, 10:35:45 PM »
So how do you explain this in the Bookhout-Hosty interrogation report, which covers the same interrogation session?-----------------

"OSWALD claimed to be on the first floor when President JOHN F. KENNEDY passed this building"

And how do you explain this in Agent Hosty's draft report for the selfsame session?---------------



Via the phrase "At the time of the search...", Agent Bookhout's later solo report skirts around the relationship between Mr Oswald's claimed movements and the time of the assassination, and with good reason---------------the report is putting into the now dead Mr Oswald's mouth confirmation of a post-assassination lunchroom encounter invented by the 'investigating' authorities desperate to pin the shooting on Mr Oswald

Oswald is in the domino room having his lunch when Jarman and Norman enter the TSBD
Minutes later the assassination takes place while he is still in the domino room
Oswald goes up to the 2nd floor to get a Coke to have with his lunch
Has the encounter with Baker
Goes down to the domino room to finish off his lunch
Heads outside to watch the parade but misses it
That's why, when asked by Inspector Kelley if he'd actually seen the parade, Oswald answers that he didn't see it.
When he gets to the front lobby he talks with Bill Shelley
As a result of that conversation Oswald decides to leave the TSBD.
On his through the lobby Allman asks where the phone is
When he gets to the door an officer confronts him
Bill Shelley vouches for Oswald
Away he goes

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2022, 11:52:04 PM »
Oswald is in the domino room having his lunch when Jarman and Norman enter the TSBD
Minutes later the assassination takes place while he is still in the domino room
Oswald goes up to the 2nd floor to get a Coke to have with his lunch
Has the encounter with Baker
Goes down to the domino room to finish off his lunch
Heads outside to watch the parade but misses it

 :D

So when an officer sticks a gun in his stomach he thinks what exactly, Mr O'Meara?

And when Mr Oswald hears Ms Reid tell him someone shot the President he thinks what exactly, Mr O'Meara?

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2022, 12:00:56 AM »
:D

So when an officer sticks a gun in his stomach he thinks what exactly, Mr O'Meara?

And when Mr Oswald hears Ms Reid tell him someone shot the President he thinks what exactly, Mr O'Meara?

He thinks it's time to get the f%ck out of Dodge.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2022, 12:12:33 AM »
He thinks it's time to get the f%ck out of Dodge.

So the way he gets the f%ck out of Dodge is, according to you, as follows:

"Goes down to the domino room to finish off his lunch
Heads outside to watch the parade but misses it"

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« Last Edit: February 11, 2022, 12:28:22 AM by Alan Ford »

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2022, 01:59:09 AM »
So the way he gets the f%ck out of Dodge is, according to you, as follows:

"Goes down to the domino room to finish off his lunch
Heads outside to watch the parade but misses it"

 :D

 ;D

I forgot I should never be flippant with you. When you ask:

"So when an officer sticks a gun in his stomach he thinks what exactly, Mr O'Meara?"

The answer is, nobody knows only Oswald. You don't know, I don't know, nobody does.
What's the point in speculating?
My opinion, at the moment, is that Oswald was deeply involved in the events of that day but I don't know to what extent.
Maybe he wasn't phased by Baker at all as he knew police were going to be swarming the building at some point.
Maybe he was slightly freaked out by Reid, hearing the president was shot.
Who knows?

The following scenario was based on the various statements Oswald was reported to have made:

Oswald is in the domino room having his lunch when Jarman and Norman enter the TSBD
Minutes later the assassination takes place while he is still in the domino room
Oswald goes up to the 2nd floor to get a Coke to have with his lunch
Has the encounter with Baker
Goes down to the domino room to finish off his lunch
Heads outside to watch the parade but misses it
That's why, when asked by Inspector Kelley if he'd actually seen the parade, Oswald answers that he didn't see it.
When he gets to the front lobby he talks with Bill Shelley
As a result of that conversation Oswald decides to leave the TSBD.
On his through the lobby Allman asks where the phone is
When he gets to the door an officer confronts him
Bill Shelley vouches for Oswald
Away he goes


This scenario does a good job of taking all his various statements into account.

Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2022, 09:55:33 AM »
Stanton apparently did not see Baker rushing up the steps just past her location at the east side of the center rail ( both hands raised shading her face in Altgens photo 6).

This may be due to her looking in the direction of Gloria Cavalry on the west side of the handrail just as Buel W. Frazier was.

Joe Molina was on the steps on the west side of the handrail it seems since he also did not see Baker , and only saw Truly.

This may be because Truly may have gone up the west side of the steps while LOS for Molina to Baker on the east side may have been blocked/obscured via Stanton and several others still standing on the east side of the handrail.

Mr Williams apparently did not see Baker or  Truly, even though Mr Williams was standing  across from Pauline Sanders on the top landing just to the west of front door.

IDK how Williams could have missed Oswald, Baker, and Truly colliding together at the door unless Mr Williams went back inside the front lobby just preceding Baker reaching the front steps per Darnell film.


Sanders apparently did not see Oswald and Truly in company with Baker.

This may be possibly due to Oswald (PM) following immediately behind Williams as Williams returns into the lobby. Both of them therefore in the lobby before Baker gets to the front door. Williams may be one of the men near rhe  passenger elevator about to get in it , as Baker enters the lobby. Oswald could be the 2nd man seen  by Baker.


Sanders saw Baker coming up the west side steps but if Truly goes up the east side then Baker may be obstructing Sanders LOS to Truly as he arrives at the opposite side of Baker on the landing.