Why classify information?

[Martin Weidmann]

No need to prove ownership of any damn rifle
At the end of the day, 10th & Patton is the epicentre, the ground-zero if you will, of the entire assassination

Oh boy, somebody forgot to put the garbage out. 

[John Iacoletti]

Numerous ballistics experts from both the FBI and HSCA inquiry identify the rifle found on the 6th floor as being the weapon that had been fired during the assassination to "the exclusion of all others".

Martin has already explained why this claim is 

LHO's palm print was found on the barrel of the rifle discovered on the 6th floor.

Correction:  a partial palmprint that was identified as coming from Oswald was found on an index card that arrived in Washington a week later.

LHO's prints were found on the bag discovered in the SN.

A "bag" that doesn't appear in the "place it was discovered" in any crime scene photographs, and nobody agrees on exactly where it was found, when it was found, who found it, or how it was folded.  Oh yeah, and there is no evidence that a rifle was ever inside it.

LHO's prints were on the boxes used to make the rifle rest.

LHO's job was literally taking books out of boxes.

LHO's PO Box was used as the delivery point for the rifle.

Evidence of "delivery"?

The alias used to purchase the rifle was on an indentity card in his possession when arrested.

The "identity card" that isn't mentioned in any interview or report prior to the Klein's order turning up?

LHO was known to possess this rifle

"Known" how?

and had already attempted to murder another individual earlier.

You mean with the steel-jacketed 30 caliber bullet the police found at the Walker scene?

LHO has no alibi during the assassination

Neither did at least 5 other people in the TSBD alone.  But Oswald mentioned seeing Norman and Jarman walk through the first floor, and lo and behold, they actually were there just a few minutes before the assassination.

and also told Postal Inspector Holmes he came down to the second floor after the assassination.

Right.  Holmes is a fount of specific information:

"But he went downstairs, and as he went out the front, it seems as though he did have a coke with him, or he stopped at the coke machine, or somebody else was trying to get a coke, but there was a coke involved.  He mentioned something about a coke."

[Bill Chapman]

Oh boy, somebody forgot to put the garbage out.

He was not only out, he was out-and-about starting a little after 12:30pm; took a brief break to exchange a few niceties with Officer Tippit; mumbled & fumbled his way down Patton to Jefferson; had police sirens remind him that he needed tennis shoes for his kid; then decided to go out to the movies and shoot more cops.

Now he's out of our hair, but still on CTer walls & PJs

[Jack Nessan]

It is kind of like the Adams and Styles nonsense where you unwittingly and unknowingly produced a WC statement from Officer Barnett that proved Adams and Styles did not leave as quickly as they thought, and you were just wrong about all of it.


Hey fool, when I am wrong about something, I admit and accept it. I misread the date on one document, which was only a minor part of the story. So, what? The remainder of the story still stands to this date. What do you call somebody who dismisses an entire story out of hand just because one minor detail was wrong?.....

As for the remainder of your post, you sound like every other LN who parrots BS without questioning any of it.

Numerous ballistics experts from both the FBI and HSCA inquiry identify the rifle found on the 6th floor as being the weapon that had been fired during the assassination to "the exclusion of all others".

No ballistic expert from both the FBI and HSCA inquiry ever identified the rifle found on the 6th floor as being the weapon that had been fired during the assassination to "the exclusion of all others". But feel free to prove me wong, by providing one report, just one, in which that claim is made.

LHO's palm print was found on the barrel of the rifle discovered on the 6th floor.

Repeating a bogus claim doesn't make it magically come true.

LHO's prints were found on the bag discovered in the SN. LHO's prints were on the boxes used to make the rifle rest. LHO's PO Box was used as the delivery point for the rifle. The alias used to purchase the rifle was on an indentity card in his possession when arrested. LHO was known to possess this rifle and had already attempted to murder another individual earlier. LHO has no alibi during the assassination and also told Postal Inspector Holmes he came down to the second floor after the assassination.

I'm not going to bother to reply to the rest of these superficial claims as there would be no point. You will just repeat the same crap next time around anyway. The propensity for a rush to judgment as you display here is beyond belief.

Really kind of pathetic even by your standards.

So much for admitting when you are wrong. Apparently you think the bullet and fragments  can be reused and then fired from a different rifle.

Mr. EISENBERG - Did you examine this bullet to determine whether it had been fired from Exhibit 139 to the exclusion of all other weapons?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. EISENBERG - What was your conclusion?
Mr. FRAZIER - This bullet fragment was fired in this rifle, 139.

Undeniable. Same for the HSCA. If you aren't certain how they match bullets to weapons watch any cop show. Pretty basic. Like a fingerprint.

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Styles and Adams never emerged out the back of the building for the first 3 minutes after the shots were fired. This is proven because you posted Officer Barnett's testimony.

[Martin Weidmann]

Really kind of pathetic even by your standards.

So much for admitting when you are wrong. Apparently you think the bullet and fragments  can be reused and then fired from a different rifle.

Mr. EISENBERG - Did you examine this bullet to determine whether it had been fired from Exhibit 139 to the exclusion of all other weapons?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. EISENBERG - What was your conclusion?
Mr. FRAZIER - This bullet fragment was fired in this rifle, 139.

Undeniable. Same for the HSCA. If you aren't certain how they match bullets to weapons watch any cop show. Pretty basic. Like a fingerprint.

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Styles and Adams never emerged out the back of the building for the first 3 minutes after the shots were fired. This is proven because you posted Officer Barnett's testimony.

Apparently you think the bullet and fragments  can be reused and then fired from a different rifle.

No, only a very confused mind would think something like that. Oh wait... you thought about it. 

Mr. EISENBERG - Did you examine this bullet to determine whether it had been fired from Exhibit 139 to the exclusion of all other weapons?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. EISENBERG - What was your conclusion?
Mr. FRAZIER - This bullet fragment was fired in this rifle, 139.

Undeniable. Same for the HSCA. If you aren't certain how they match bullets to weapons watch any cop show. Pretty basic. Like a fingerprint.

Is cop shows where you get your information from? Because that would explain an awful lot.

Now, tell me please where Frazier or whoever you are thinking about in the HSCA, says when the bullets were fired by that rifle?

Before you jump to conclusions, you really need to consider this;

1) There is no chain of custody for the bullet now in evidence as CE399. Nobody who handled the bullet Tomlinson found before the item got to the FBI lab in Washington was able to identify CE399 as the bullet they had handled. Even worse, Mr. Wright, the man who recieved the bullet from Tomlinson is on record as saying that CE399 does not resemble the bullet he handled.

2) There also is no chain of custody for the bullet fragments that allegedly came from the limo. FBI expert Frazier went down to the Secret Service garage to inspect the car and when he got there he was given some bullet fragments that had allegedly been found in the limo by two men who contaminated the crime scene by allegedly going through the car before the FBI experts arrived. That's why none of the fragments show up in any in situ photograph.

And let's not forget General Walker. When he saw the bullet the HSCA presented as the one that was allegedly recovered from his home he denied it completely. He even went through the trouble of writing to the HSCA several times and when they did not respond he instructed his lawyer to get in touch with them. The HSCA ignored his denials.

You see a pattern emerging here?

Now, why don't you go back to those cop shows and try to figure out what evidentiary problems could be the result of such amateur like shenanigans and get back to me when you have a reasonable explanation for the obvious fact that the bullet now in evidence as CE399 looks very much like a bullet fired into cotton wool or a water tank.

Styles and Adams never emerged out the back of the building for the first 3 minutes after the shots were fired. This is proven because you posted Officer Barnett's testimony.

Utter BS. Why don't you write this a hundred more times or so. Who knows, perhaps it suddenly comes true.

Let me make this suggestion to you. If Adams and Styles did not get down the stairs within 60 seconds after the shots, wouldn't they have encountered Truly and Baker (as Dororthy Garner did) on the fourth floor?

[Richard Smith]

Apparently you think the bullet and fragments  can be reused and then fired from a different rifle.

No, only a very confused mind would think something like that. Oh wait... you thought about it. 


Mr. EISENBERG - Did you examine this bullet to determine whether it had been fired from Exhibit 139 to the exclusion of all other weapons?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. EISENBERG - What was your conclusion?
Mr. FRAZIER - This bullet fragment was fired in this rifle, 139.

Undeniable. Same for the HSCA. If you aren't certain how they match bullets to weapons watch any cop show. Pretty basic. Like a fingerprint.

Is cop shows where you get your information from? Because that would explain an awful lot.

Now, tell me please where Frazier or whoever you are thinking about in the HSCA, says when the bullets were fired by that rifle?

Before you jump to conclusions, you really need to consider this;

1) There is no chain of custody for the bullet now in evidence as CE399. Nobody who handled the bullet Tomlinson found before the item got to the FBI lab in Washington was able to identify CE399 as the bullet they had handled. Even worse, Mr. Wright, the man who recieved the bullet from Tomlinson is on record as saying that CE399 does not resemble the bullet he handled.

2) There also is no chain of custody for the bullet fragments that allegedly came from the limo. FBI expert Frazier went down to the Secret Service garage to inspect the car and when he got there he was given some bullet fragments that had allegedly been found in the limo by two men who contaminated the crime scene by allegedly going through the car before the FBI experts arrived. That's why none of the fragments show up in any in situ photograph.

And let's not forget General Walker. When he saw the bullet the HSCA presented as the one that was allegedly recovered from his home he denied it completely. He even went through the trouble of writing to the HSCA several times and when they did not respond he instructed his lawyer to get in touch with them. The HSCA ignored his denials.

You see a pattern emerging here?

Now, why don't you go back to those cop shows and try to figure out what evidentiary problems could be the result of such amateur like shenanigans and get back to me when you have a reasonable explanation for the obvious fact that the bullet now in evidence as CE399 looks very much like a bullet fired into cotton wool or a water tank.

Styles and Adams never emerged out the back of the building for the first 3 minutes after the shots were fired. This is proven because you posted Officer Barnett's testimony.

Utter BS. Why don't you write this a hundred more times or so. Who knows, perhaps it suddenly comes true.

Let me make this suggestion to you. If Adams and Styles did not get down the stairs within 60 seconds after the shots, wouldn't they have encountered Truly and Baker (as Dororthy Garner did) on the fourth floor?

Remember while reading this nonsense that Martin refuses to admit that he is a CTer.  The evidence is just all faked.  He doesn't have to explain why.  It just is.  Take his word for it. 

[Martin Weidmann]

Remember while reading this nonsense that Martin refuses to admit that he is a CTer.  The evidence is just all faked.  He doesn't have to explain why.  It just is.  Take his word for it.

Get help. Your obsession with me is getting completely out of control.

It is not my problem if you don't understand (and you clearly don't) why a chain of custody is important. I don't have claim the evidence is faked and I did not claim it was in my last post. Instead I ask straightforward questions which you will never be able to answer in a hunderd years.

You and your ilk have to prove the evidence is authentic. The mere fact that you only assume it is exposes you as a fool who is incapable of rational and reasonable thought processes.

[John Iacoletti]

Really kind of pathetic even by your standards.

So much for admitting when you are wrong. Apparently you think the bullet and fragments  can be reused and then fired from a different rifle.

Mr. EISENBERG - Did you examine this bullet to determine whether it had been fired from Exhibit 139 to the exclusion of all other weapons?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. EISENBERG - What was your conclusion?
Mr. FRAZIER - This bullet fragment was fired in this rifle, 139.

How do you know that fragment was "fired during the assassination"?

Undeniable. Same for the HSCA. If you aren't certain how they match bullets to weapons watch any cop show. Pretty basic. Like a fingerprint.

If you mean it similarly involves bias, subjectivity, and differing standards, then yes.  Particularly when the fragments were so mangled that Robert Frazier had to line up the markings in his "mind" because they didn't line up under the microscope.

Styles and Adams never emerged out the back of the building for the first 3 minutes after the shots were fired. This is proven because you posted Officer Barnett's testimony.

You have a weird definition of "proof".