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Offline Alan J. Ford

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Re: One Witness
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2022, 07:24:19 PM »
Self-reminder: *next time in take some time to read some of Mr. Beck's contributions. He has a history of shedding light, truth and justice in this case, and is very adept at separating fact from fiction.

**remember to include Mr. Dougherty's testimony next time and also determine the name of the TSBD employee working out of the packaging & taping room there down on the first-floor, and determine if he had a clear unobstructed view of the backstairs and elevators.

***explore some possibilities why Baker and Roy Truly lied about their exploits on that otherwise locked roof from the inside. Could this have been invented to cover the time sequence to explain the truth about this rather telling Freudian slip ---->

Mr. BELIN. When did you get over to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. That I can't answer. I don't remember when I went over there. It was sometime before I learned that they had found either the rifle or the spent shell cases.


What is behind this unintentional error? Was Roy Truly's subconscious trying to come clean in spite of his initial greed for thirty pieces of silver?

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Offline Alan J. Ford

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Re: One Witness
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2022, 07:26:00 PM »
The wrongly-accused did Not shoot anybody. Anybody.

"WRONGLY ACCUSED" IS SIMPLY TOO MILD.....  Although  that is an accurate and true statement, Lee Oswald was not simply "wrongly accused", he was deliberately and maliciously framed by the authorities, and hastily lynched  when it became clear that the authorities had no evidence or case against Lee Oswald. ( J. Edgar Hoover admitted that when he was on the phone with Lyndon Johnson.)   The authorities knew that a dead man could not be tried, so they lynched him..... Case closed.

Hear!, hear!

Enjoy your week, Mr. Cakebread, no truer words have been spoken sir.

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Re: One Witness
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2022, 05:03:01 PM »
Good morning gentlemen,

Last week this thread centered upon the whereabouts of the wrongly-accused just before the chicken sh*t cowardly ambush of an unarmed duly elected representative of the people unfolded in Dealey Plaza.

Brief Recap:

It was established that the wrongly-accused was downstairs in the domino lunchroom as late as 12:25PM, nowhere near the 6th floor, let alone lurking in the southeast corner holding a rifle (please excuse the eyeroll).

It was also established that multiple witnesses actually saw individuals standing in the southeast corner window 12-15 minutes prior to the firing sequence, while the wrongly-accused was nowhere near the 6th floor, let alone that window.

By the time Mr. Jarman (James/Junior) had reentered the TSBD via the rear entrance between 12:25PM and 12:28PM with his fellow coworker Mr. Norman (Harold), they had left the wrongly-accused (preparing his lunch in the domino lunchroom) in their wake as they boarded an elevator up to the 5th floor where they would view the presidential procession from.

Neither of these men, nor Mr. Williams (Bonnie Ray) who would join them down on the 5th floor after spending considerable time up on the 6th floor, nor Mr. Dougherty (Jack) witnessed the wrongly-accused up on the 6th floor during this time sequence. With good reason, the wrongly-accused was nowhere near the 6th floor because as late as 12:25PM he was downstairs on the first floor in the domino room.

brb to transition into the whereabouts of the wrongly-accused during the chicken sh*t cowardly ambush upon an unarmed representative of the people by a bunch of lying treasonous cowards...

10:41AM EST...
 
128 days later, the LNs still cannot produce One Witness to substantiate the make believe fiction about Baker and Roy Truly being together at the base of the backstairs during the immediate aftermath of the assassination. The only witness in the public record who did come forward, Mr. Piper (Eddie) only sees Roy Truly at the base of the backstairs (4 minutes later than the scripted fairytale about a 90 second phantom encounter with the wrongly-accused in the 2nd floor lunchroom, and even more damaging to the hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure, Mr. Piper describes the individual with Roy Truly as someone else other than an obviously dressed motorcycle officer donning an obvious white motorcycle helmet and large black boots).

brb...juggling paperwork on this end while working remotely

11:01AM EST...

The wrongly-accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody. After observing his fellow TSBD coworkers (Jarman & Norman) at 12:28PM move out of his view further away from the domino room towards the elevators downstairs on the first floor rear of the building, he did what any reasonable human being would do, now realizing that all the commotion out front meant the presidential procession was imminent, he secured his lunch and Coke/Dr. Pepper and made a beeline out of the domino room at the rear of the building, across the open space of the first floor and out into the crisp Autumn air, finding a position (albeit not an ideal spot to view all of the proceedings in its entirety), but at least some consolation given his late arrival an opportunity to at least view the parade from the back steps of the front entrance as it moved towards and passed the TSBD.

11:21AM...

For all the fairytale make believe about the wrongly-accused lurking upstairs with a rifle, this exchange with Mr. Jarman reveals the wrongly-accused was clueless about President Kennedy's itinerary that day, let alone specifically where he would be and precisely what time (Mr. Jarman knew MUCH more than the wrongly-accused) ---->

Mr. BALL - And what was said by him and by you?
Mr. JARMAN - Well, he was standing up in the window and I went to the window also, and he asked me what were the people gathering around on the corner for, and I told him that the President was supposed to pass that morning, and he asked me did I know which way he was coming, and I told him, yes; he probably come down Main and turn on Houston and then back again on Elm. Then he said, "Oh, I see," and that was all.


So now begs the question for all of those who parrot back the myth amid a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure about the wrongly-accused's guilt, How did he get up to the 6th floor between 12:28PM--12:30PM after his coworkers had taken both elevators upstairs? IF he took the stairs, Why didn't Mr. Williams (Bonnie Ray) encounter him on his sojourn down from the 6th floor to the 5th floor to join Mr. Jarman and Mr. Norman? How did he get past Jack Dougherty who was working earnestly between both the 5th and 6th floors? Totally understandable if the LNs scurry away and cower from these simple questions, because to date they cannot even produce One Witness who can substantiate the outright lie about Baker & Roy truly being together at the base of the backstairs.

Back next week the Good Lord willing to share the whereabouts of the wrongly-accused immediately after the chicken sh*t cowardly ambush of an unarmed representative of the people by a bunch of lying treasonous cowards...

"Few men have the virtue to withstand the highest bidder" -- George Washington

Best wishes to all to remain safe, healthy and free of any lingering COVID-19 variants.













« Last Edit: May 11, 2022, 06:14:10 PM by Alan J. Ford »

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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: One Witness
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2022, 12:46:53 AM »
Good morning gentlemen,

Last week this thread centered upon the whereabouts of the wrongly-accused just before the chicken sh*t cowardly ambush of an unarmed duly elected representative of the people unfolded in Dealey Plaza.

Brief Recap:

It was established that the wrongly-accused was downstairs in the domino lunchroom as late as 12:25PM, nowhere near the 6th floor, let alone lurking in the southeast corner holding a rifle (please excuse the eyeroll).

It was also established that multiple witnesses actually saw individuals standing in the southeast corner window 12-15 minutes prior to the firing sequence, while the wrongly-accused was nowhere near the 6th floor, let alone that window.

By the time Mr. Jarman (James/Junior) had reentered the TSBD via the rear entrance between 12:25PM and 12:28PM with his fellow coworker Mr. Norman (Harold), they had left the wrongly-accused (preparing his lunch in the domino lunchroom) in their wake as they boarded an elevator up to the 5th floor where they would view the presidential procession from.

Neither of these men, nor Mr. Williams (Bonnie Ray) who would join them down on the 5th floor after spending considerable time up on the 6th floor, nor Mr. Dougherty (Jack) witnessed the wrongly-accused up on the 6th floor during this time sequence. With good reason, the wrongly-accused was nowhere near the 6th floor because as late as 12:25PM he was downstairs on the first floor in the domino room.

brb to transition into the whereabouts of the wrongly-accused during the chicken sh*t cowardly ambush upon an unarmed representative of the people by a bunch of lying treasonous cowards...

10:41AM EST...
 
128 days later, the LNs still cannot produce One Witness to substantiate the make believe fiction about Baker and Roy Truly being together at the base of the backstairs during the immediate aftermath of the assassination. The only witness in the public record who did come forward, Mr. Piper (Eddie) only sees Roy Truly at the base of the backstairs (4 minutes later than the scripted fairytale about a 90 second phantom encounter with the wrongly-accused in the 2nd floor lunchroom, and even more damaging to the hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure, Mr. Piper describes the individual with Roy Truly as someone else other than an obviously dressed motorcycle officer donning an obvious white motorcycle helmet and large black boots).

brb...juggling paperwork on this end while working remotely

11:01AM EST...

The wrongly-accused did not shoot anybody. Anybody. After observing his fellow TSBD coworkers (Jarman & Norman) at 12:28PM move out of his view further away from the domino room towards the elevators downstairs on the first floor rear of the building, he did what any reasonable human being would do, now realizing that all the commotion out front meant the presidential procession was imminent, he secured his lunch and Coke/Dr. Pepper and made a beeline out of the domino room at the rear of the building, across the open space of the first floor and out into the crisp Autumn air, finding a position (albeit not an ideal spot to view all of the proceedings in its entirety), but at least some consolation given his late arrival an opportunity to at least view the parade from the back steps of the front entrance as it moved towards and passed the TSBD.

11:21AM...

For all the fairytale make believe about the wrongly-accused lurking upstairs with a rifle, this exchange with Mr. Jarman reveals the wrongly-accused was clueless about President Kennedy's itinerary that day, let alone specifically where he would be and precisely what time (Mr. Jarman knew MUCH more than the wrongly-accused) ---->

Mr. BALL - And what was said by him and by you?
Mr. JARMAN - Well, he was standing up in the window and I went to the window also, and he asked me what were the people gathering around on the corner for, and I told him that the President was supposed to pass that morning, and he asked me did I know which way he was coming, and I told him, yes; he probably come down Main and turn on Houston and then back again on Elm. Then he said, "Oh, I see," and that was all.


So now begs the question for all of those who parrot back the myth amid a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure about the wrongly-accused's guilt, How did he get up to the 6th floor between 12:28PM--12:30PM after his coworkers had taken both elevators upstairs? IF he took the stairs, Why didn't Mr. Williams (Bonnie Ray) encounter him on his sojourn down from the 6th floor to the 5th floor to join Mr. Jarman and Mr. Norman? How did he get past Jack Dougherty who was working earnestly between both the 5th and 6th floors? Totally understandable if the LNs scurry away and cower from these simple questions, because to date they cannot even produce One Witness who can substantiate the outright lie about Baker & Roy truly being together at the base of the backstairs.

Back next week the Good Lord willing to share the whereabouts of the wrongly-accused immediately after the chicken sh*t cowardly ambush of an unarmed representative of the people by a bunch of lying treasonous cowards...

"Few men have the virtue to withstand the highest bidder" -- George Washington

Best wishes to all to remain safe, healthy and free of any lingering COVID-19 variants.


So now begs the question for all of those who parrot back the myth amid a hastily contrived script mired in the stench of horse manure about the wrongly-accused's guilt, How did he get up to the 6th floor between 12:28PM--12:30PM after his coworkers had taken both elevators upstairs?

The answer is obvious..... Lee Oswald could not have traveled from the first floor to the sixth floor window ( carrying a rifle) in two or three minutes.  Both elevators were unavailable ( too slow anyway)  and he could not have climbed the stairs to the sixth floor and been prepared to shoot the Pres in two or three minutes....

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Re: One Witness
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2022, 08:28:01 AM »
The ? Is: How fast could a 24 year old 135 lb 5í -9Ē height ex Maine run up 6 flights of L-shape staircases with 18 steps and mid landing and 15ft of floor landing/foot?

It was calculated the fastest probable average time a person could go DOWN the staircase is approx 10 sec/floor.

A. However going UP is fighting against gravity so it would probably  take at least 15 sec per floor going up. So for 6 floors , the time required would = 90 secs

B.Then there is the 80 ft from
Domino room to the 1st staircase (ground floor) and the 180 ft from
6th floor staircase to the SE window. If Oswald can double time at 8 ft / sec then (80+180)/8 = 260/8 = 32sec

C.The time required to stack 2 boxes and place a 3rd box on the window ledge = 10 sec

D. The time required to get rifle out of some hiding place= 10 sec

Total time from Domino room to SE window 6th floor = A+B+C+D.= 145 secs= 2 min 25 secs.

the radio transmission that Norman and Jarman heard began at is 12;22

The earliest probable time therefore would be approx 12:23 when Norman/Jarman reach the ground floor elevator by the rear staircase after entering the TSBD via rear loading dock and passing by the Domino room.

Therefore Oswald would have had to increase his avg speed to 10ft across the horizontal floor distances and increase his vertical staircase ascent average time to 12 sec/floor to be able to place a box on the 6th floor SE window ledge 12:25.

Seems improbable, except for the fact that Marines are trained to do extraordinary things and a really motivated Marine only 24 years old and only 135 lbs , might be able to do it.

For this reason I prefer to not rely just on the logistical improbability but also take into account the Carolyn Arnold FBI report of sighting Oswald at 12:25 in the FRONT ENTRANCE LOBBY!

That would make it IMPOSSIBLE for Oswald to have placed the box on the window ledge at 12:24- 12:25.

Carolyn may have denied 12:25 report in later years, but thereís no reason for the FBI to make a fake report that gives the their prime suspect Oswald an alibi, nor was there any report stating that report was in error ( as far as I know)

My suspicion is that Ms Arnold realized the significance of the 12:25 time stamp report and decided ( or was ďpersuadedĒ) that it was in her best interest to stay with the 12:15 time stamp sighting of Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom.

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Re: One Witness
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2022, 04:54:53 AM »
Imo itís IMPOSBLE for Oswald to run from the front entrance lobby of the TSBD and place a box on the window ledge of the 6th floor SE window by 12:25 if  Oswald was sighted in the front lobby by  Carolyn Arnold at 12:25.

Itís ALMOST impossible for Oswald to have run from the Domino room to the 6th floor SE window and placed a box in the window ledge by 12:25 if Oswald starts at 12:23 just after seeing Jarman and Norman

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« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2022, 05:40:43 AM »
Imo itís IMPOSBLE for Oswald to run from the front entrance lobby of the TSBD and place a box on the window ledge of the 6th floor SE window by 12:25 if  Oswald was sighted in the front lobby by  Carolyn Arnold at 12:25.

Itís ALMOST impossible for Oswald to have run from the Domino room to the 6th floor SE window and placed a box in the window ledge by 12:25 if Oswald starts at 12:23 just after seeing Jarman and Norman

Lee Oswald saw Jarman and Norman at approximately 12:27....NOT 12:23....  At 12:23  J & N were still outside at the front of the TSBD trying to find a place were they could view the motorcade.   They decided to go up to the fifth floor at about 12:25, so they would have passed by the 1st floor lunchroom at about 12:26 / 12:27.

I've long been puzzled why they decided to go to the 5th floor rather that the 6th floor..... Had they been told that the sixth floor was off limits during the motorcade?
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Re: One Witness
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2022, 05:51:59 PM »
Walt, your timeline is the more probable one because mine is based on the 12:22 radio transmission which Norman and Jarman heard and itís unlikely they left instantly upon hearing that report of the JFK limo en route to Dealey Plaza.

My point was that itís virtually impossible for Oswald to place that box at 12:25 even if it were probable N&J  left exactly at 12:22 thus passing by Oswald at 12:23 in the Domino room.

Itís highly doubtful that Oswald could run UP each staircase with 18 steps and a 15ft floor landing  at a sustained rate of 12 secs per floor.

And he would have to run at a sustained 10 ft/sec over 80ft of ground floor and 180ft of the  6th floor.

And this doesnít even consider how Jack Dougherty on the 5th floor and Bonnie Ray Williams on the 6th floor who didnít take the elevator down from 6th floor until 12.24, missed seeing Oswald.

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