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Offline Tom Scully

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The following images prove the 1953 installation of the TSBD rooftop sign predating the Hertz sign
required installation of separate electric utility meter and power supply to the roof. Uhler & Co. outdoor sign
built and erected the 1953 Ford sign and the 1962 Pearl Beer waterfall billboard visible from Stemmons Freeway.
If, as some assert, there was a power interruption inside TSBD as the presidential motorcade approached and passed,
it was not related to an external electric utility power supply interruption.






I posted about the similar power requirements and description of the Hertz sign at this link.:
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Offline Royell Storing

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Re: Uninterrupted TSBD rooftop Hertz sign time display = no power failure
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2018, 03:57:00 PM »
Your article is Specific as to ROOFTOP Power/Meter. NOT Power supplied Throughout/Inside the TSBD building in general. It's possible that the Immense Power/Meter were Specifically directed to the TSBD Roof/Sign for both Technical & Billing purposes. 

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Re: Uninterrupted TSBD rooftop Hertz sign time display = no power failure
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2018, 04:34:15 PM »
Great.  So the sign was not powered by batteries.  No one has ever argued that it is not possible to turn the power off to specific parts of the building via the internal circuit box.  You can do that in your own home.   The broader issue is whether the power was off in the entire building and if I understand Tom's information correctly that can't be the case if the sign is operational.  So the fact that the sign was functioning as of 12:30 suggests there was no external source power outage throughout the building.   The narrower issue of whether the freight elevators were operational can then be addressed by specific record examples of their being used by Baker/Truly and Mooney.  If there was an internal power outage directed solely at these elevators, that would strongly imply a conspiratorial effort as there is no apparent explanation or evidence for anyone else to have done this.  In fact, the police were using those elevators.  So then we are left to puzzle out why any conspirator would have taken the significant risk to remain in the building for ten minutes or more after the assassination to briefly turn the power off to the elevator.  And that simply doesn't add up. Particularly if Mooney is the sole example since he was heading up (and not down) well after the assassination.  And there were already police officers on the upper floors.  It doesn't make any narrative sense as part of a planned event.   John I. with his Inspector Clouseau approach of suspecting everyone and suspecting no one seems to leave open the possibility of a coincidental power outage not linked to a conspiracy.  But that would be difficult to square with an internal power cut to the elevator which must have been initiated by someone from within the building.  That would have to be an intentional action on behalf of someone for some apparent purpose rather than a random event.

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Re: Uninterrupted TSBD rooftop Hertz sign time display = no power failure
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2018, 06:26:07 PM »
LOL, Tom just refuted Richard's silly argument and Richard doesn't even realize it. 

"separate electric utility meter and power supply to the roof"

That means it's completely independent of any power inside the building itself.

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Re: Uninterrupted TSBD rooftop Hertz sign time display = no power failure
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2018, 07:08:08 PM »
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LOL, Tom just refuted Richard's silly argument and Richard doesn't even realize it. 

"separate electric utility meter and power supply to the roof"

That means it's completely independent of any power inside the building itself.

LOL.  Where in the article does it say that the sign had "separate electric utility meter and power supply" from the building and would continue to function even if the power went out to the building?  At least you are backing off the claim that this sign was battery powered.  The article cited also does not address the Hertz sign but a sign placed there a decade earlier.  Simply saying it had a separate meter does not mean the power would have been on to the sign if the power source were cut to the entire building.  It does not mean it was "completely independent of any power inside the building".  Coming from Mr. Everything is an Assumption that it a very humorous highlighting both your dishonesty and stupidity.  If you read the article it says nothing along those lines.   It just says the Ford sign used a lot of power.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Uninterrupted TSBD rooftop Hertz sign time display = no power failure
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2018, 07:30:30 PM »
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LOL.  Where in the article does it say that the sign had "separate electric utility meter and power supply" from the building and would continue to function even if the power went out to the building?

Are you for real?

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From 1953, the infrastructure was in place on the TSBD roof for a devoted high voltage power line on its own independent circuit and utility meter

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  At least you are backing off the claim that this sign was battery powered.

I never claimed that.  That was Walt.  I asked you how you knew it wasn't.  You didn't know -- you just assumed it.  Tom to his credit bailed you out.

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  The article cited also does not address the Hertz sign but a sign placed there a decade earlier.  Simply saying it had a separate meter does not mean the power would have been on to the sign if the power source were cut to the entire building.

Sure, but not only are you convinced for no good reason that the power to the sign was dependent on the power to the building, but you also somehow convinced yourself that somebody argued that power was cut to the entire building.

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  It does not mean it was "completely independent of any power inside the building".

Do you know how electric meters work?  For them to be metered separately, they have to be isolated.

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  Coming from Mr. Everything is an Assumption that it a very humorous highlighting both your dishonesty and stupidity.

Like clockwork.  If all else fails, start flinging insults.

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Re: Uninterrupted TSBD rooftop Hertz sign time display = no power failure
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2018, 07:39:03 PM »
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Are you for real?





LOL.  You are citing Tom's interpretation of the article.  His opinion.  It is not contained in the article itself.  Try actually reading the article posted and distinguishing that from Tom's commentary. 

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Re: Uninterrupted TSBD rooftop Hertz sign time display = no power failure
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LOL.  You are citing Tom's interpretation of the article.  His opinion.  It is not contained in the article itself.  Try actually reading the article posted and distinguishing that from Tom's commentary.

Tom saves your lazy ass from having to do your own research and this is how you repay him.

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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Uninterrupted TSBD rooftop Hertz sign time display = no power failure
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2018, 08:08:37 PM »
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Tom saves your lazy ass from having to do your own research and this is how you repay him.

Tut-tut with the language Johnny.  I'm simply pointing out that you erroneously conflated the information in the article with Tom's commentary.  Either out of pure stupidity or intentional dishonesty.  It does not say what you claimed.  Tom did nothing wrong.  He simply expressed his interpretation of the information contained in article.  A substantive opinion that may or may not be true.  You, however, stated that information as being a fact when it is not.  Perhaps in your childish desire to be right about something after being wrong about everything in this discussion so far.

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Re: Uninterrupted TSBD rooftop Hertz sign time display = no power failure
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2018, 10:07:21 PM »
I'm sure Tom will be along shortly to set you straight.  Tom has a track record of honest and thorough research.  You have a track record of making unsupported claims, strawman arguments, and insulting people.  Figuring out who is more reliable is not a difficult proposition.  But anything to distract from your silly argument about the Hertz sign, right?

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