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Online Fred Litwin

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Oliver Stone with "JFK Revisited" Crucifies Clay Shaw Once Again
« on: November 22, 2021, 02:21:20 PM »
Oliver Stone with "JFK Revisited" Crucifies Clay Shaw Once Again
Today is the 58 anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. We should all take some time today to remember his life and the optimism he engendered in Americans. Unfortunately, Oliver Stone's so-called documentary, JFK Revisited, will be showing today and, once again, he crucifies Clay Shaw, an innocent gay man whose life was ruined by Jim Garrison. Shame on you, Oliver Stone.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/oliver-stone-with-jfk-revisited-crucifies-clay-shaw-once-again

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Re: Oliver Stone with "JFK Revisited" Crucifies Clay Shaw Once Again
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2021, 03:44:36 PM »
Its disgraceful documentary in parts. For him to double down on thoroughly debunked theories so far after the event. Crazy.

Couldn't believe how bad it was.

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Re: Oliver Stone with "JFK Revisited" Crucifies Clay Shaw Once Again
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2021, 05:39:01 PM »
For those not familiar with the matter, here's a snapshot from the movie's flashback scene that depicted a sexual orgy involving Shaw and David Ferrie and others. This was shown while Garrison questioned Shaw. It's disgraceful. There is no evidence whatsoever that it took place. And Garrison never questioned Shaw in the trial either. The whole scene is a lie. Well, the whole movie is a lie.

Stone was asked about Garrison's abuse of Shaw and said, "Sometimes in a war you have to sacrifice people." That's an admission, implicit if not explicit, that Shaw was innocent but was used by Garrison for some larger worthwhile effort. That is, winning the war. But now we have, once again, the smearing of the man for no purpose at all.

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Re: Oliver Stone with "JFK Revisited" Crucifies Clay Shaw Once Again
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2021, 08:28:29 PM »
JFK Revisited crams a lot of information into very short segments in the two-hour film and (it seems) the target audience is people who are already familiar with the basic details of the JFK assassination and the investigations that followed.

The Clay Shaw trial isn't mentioned in the film (it's only mentioned that Shaw denied working for the CIA and that the HSCA confirmed he did have a relationship with the CIA) but neither is the Tippit shooting or Gen. Walker stuff.

Less than a minute was spent on Clay Shaw so your thread title is a little ridiculous.

Many things related to the Kennedy assassination were left out due to time constraints, not dishonesty. They were required to keep the film no longer than two-hours.

An extended version will be released in February.


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Re: Oliver Stone with "JFK Revisited" Crucifies Clay Shaw Once Again
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2021, 09:16:43 PM »
Oliver Stone with "JFK Revisited" Crucifies Clay Shaw Once Again
Today is the 58 anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. We should all take some time today to remember his life and the optimism he engendered in Americans. Unfortunately, Oliver Stone's so-called documentary, JFK Revisited, will be showing today and, once again, he crucifies Clay Shaw, an innocent gay man whose life was ruined by Jim Garrison. Shame on you, Oliver Stone.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/oliver-stone-with-jfk-revisited-crucifies-clay-shaw-once-again
Trump delayed the release of the files to protect LBJ and the CIA? From exposing their involvement in the assassination?

Does anyone think that's, well, not very logical? Trump? Protecting the Establishment? He thinks they were all out to get him. Why would he protect them?

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Re: Oliver Stone with "JFK Revisited" Crucifies Clay Shaw Once Again
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2021, 03:50:18 AM »
Stone's so-called documentary mentions that Shaw was indicted for conspiracy to kill JFK. It's a bit rich in a film that is upset that Oswald did not get a trial, to NOT even mention that Shaw DID get a trial and that he was acquitted.

That is outrageous.

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Re: Oliver Stone with "JFK Revisited" Crucifies Clay Shaw Once Again
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2021, 04:06:28 AM »
Stone's so-called documentary mentions that Shaw was indicted for conspiracy to kill JFK. It's a bit rich in a film that is upset that Oswald did not get a trial, to NOT even mention that Shaw DID get a trial and that he was acquitted.

That is outrageous.

fred

Jim Garrison got one mention. Shaw got maybe two mentions.

You seem genuinely disappointed that Stone didn't make another film about Jim Garrison and Clay Shaw.




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Re: Oliver Stone with "JFK Revisited" Crucifies Clay Shaw Once Again
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2021, 04:33:34 AM »
Oliver Stone with "JFK Revisited" Crucifies Clay Shaw Once Again
Today is the 58 anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. We should all take some time today to remember his life and the optimism he engendered in Americans. Unfortunately, Oliver Stone's so-called documentary, JFK Revisited, will be showing today and, once again, he crucifies Clay Shaw, an innocent gay man whose life was ruined by Jim Garrison. Shame on you, Oliver Stone.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/oliver-stone-with-jfk-revisited-crucifies-clay-shaw-once-again

I agree Fred. A lot of people decided to turn this day into a farce with a bogus JFK return and many old conspiracies have been dug up once again and were posted all on Twitter and other media sites. This was one of the worst days in American history and people treat it as a joke. Hopefully members in the forum took the time to reflect on the life and legacy of President Kennedy. All I know is the world would have been a much better place today if President Kennedy wasn't murdered.     

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Re: Oliver Stone with "JFK Revisited" Crucifies Clay Shaw Once Again
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2021, 01:09:58 PM »
JFK Revisited crams a lot of information into very short segments in the two-hour film and (it seems) the target audience is people who are already familiar with the basic details of the JFK assassination and the investigations that followed.

The Clay Shaw trial isn't mentioned in the film (it's only mentioned that Shaw denied working for the CIA and that the HSCA confirmed he did have a relationship with the CIA) but neither is the Tippit shooting or Gen. Walker stuff.

Less than a minute was spent on Clay Shaw so your thread title is a little ridiculous.

Many things related to the Kennedy assassination were left out due to time constraints, not dishonesty. They were required to keep the film no longer than two-hours.

An extended version will be released in February.

Shaw and Garrison were performers in a distraction OP. They played their parts read their lines, no federal reinvestigation until 1975, mission accomplished.

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2771.msg102070.html#msg102070


https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3021.msg116174.html#msg116174

For us Dummies, it might be a good idea in your opening spiel to give a brief summation of where your following research leads because reading between the lines and trying to figure out what the heck you are trying to say, makes me skip a lot of your posts. Don't get me wrong I appreciate all the effort but sometimes it's just too difficult to make a link between your research and the JFK assassination.

JohnM

The late Tom Purvis pointed out that William P. Burke, CIA Southeast Domestic Contacts director since 1949,
had married a former Comus queen who was the daughter of a Comus queen and Burke's daughter was also selected by the anonymous Comus as his queen. This information is literally etched in stone on the grave memorials of those three generations.

When I checked Burke's wedding announcement, it said his best man was Brainerd Walker Spencer.
Burke's mother-in-law, wife, and daughter :
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/100653422/marietta-kittredge
Queen MKC 1900
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/100521564/frances-ivy-burke
Queen MKC 1927
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/100520469/constance-ivy-fedoroff
Queen MKC 1950

Burke's best man and Phil Strong's Princeton roommate Spencer, honoring Burke's daughter the year before
she was Comus's queen,

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In 1857, Comus taught New Orleans how to parade | 300 for 300
https://www.300nola.com/portfolio-items/in_1857_comus_taught_new_orlea/
Jul 25, 2018 Unlike Rex, Comus' identity is never revealed. The torch carriers who helped illuminate the Comus parade were the beginning of the flambeaux .

Description of Brainerd Walker Spencer (In my last post, I included three images from a Hill School, Pottstown, PA, yearbook showing that Spencer, Phil Strong, and CD Jackson were all schoolmates.)

Phil Strong was the son of Benjamin Strong, Jr. In 1954, Phil Strong, USMC reserve Captain and founder of the O.S.S. recruit training center in 1942, used his combined contacts as CIA Science Director and friend of Lockheed's Kelly Johnson, to earn Phil Strong the title of "Father of the U2".

In 1936, reserve USMC Captain Philip G Strong quit his job in banking to conduct an extended walking tour through Germany and eventually, into the Soviet Union, interviewing young people in countries on his route.
General Philip G Strong's grandson has his letters,

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https://www.tor.com/2013/08/09/toby-barlow-cia-agent-babayaga/
I Never Knew My Grandfather, Only What He Pretended to Be
Aug 9, 2013 His name is Philip Strong and he has boarded here in the Hamburg station, ... strike up an acquaintance with a fellow name Otto Fuerbringer.

Otto Fuerbringer was working in Berlin in 1936, as a correspondent for a St. Louis newspaper when he gave
Phil Strong a post olympics, tour of Berlin.

In 1963 Otto Fuerbringer was editor-in-chief at Time magazine. He likely approved Stolley's purchase of the Zapruder film. Less than four weeks later, Fuerbringer approved a Time cover and feature article of Guy de Rothschild. I guess the beginnings of the WC was "back page, stuff".

Late in 1952 :



I know a lot, but I don't know what motivated Jim Garrison or what his goals were. How can Oliver Stone, DiEugenio, or you know?

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Oliver Stone with "JFK Revisited" Crucifies Clay Shaw Once Again
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2021, 07:24:46 AM »

Less than a minute was spent on Clay Shaw so your thread title is a little ridiculous.
Actually...crucified?... is way over the top.
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Oliver Stone Crucifies Clay Shaw Once Again
Clay Shaw was not martyred...He smoked himself to death---
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Shaw#Death 

 

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