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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2021, 03:59:41 AM »
As I've posted in another thread, the Oswald Backyard photos went under rigorous forensic photo analysis just a few years ago and every photo was proven to be 100% authentic with absolutely no forgery. Forged photos from the 60's would be easy to identify, unlike from today, with the best computer technology that can alter photos making it more difficult to ascertain if they are indeed legitimate. Obviously Marina had to take them because Oswald wasn't really close to other people who would have taken them for him.       

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2021, 06:58:53 AM »
  Obviously Marina had to take them because Oswald wasn't really close to other people who would have taken them for him.     
Still wondering why it is so obvious. When demonstrating to Robert Blakey and the HSCA panel.. how she had used the camera ...she held it upside down. She couldn't state at first whether she took more than one picture...no one could explain how a 3rd B Y photo popped up out of the blue thirteen years later ---
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In 1976, during the Schweiker-Hart assassination investigation, another "backyard photograph" emerged. This one was found by Mrs. Geneva Ruth Dees, widow of Roscoe Anthony White, who began working for the Dallas Police, in the photographic department, on October 7, 1963. The picture was found among a collection of 40 photographs retained by White as souvenirs. According to Mrs. Dees, White, her former husband, was skilled in trick photography.


 I suspect that Roscoe White could have been involved in framing Oswald.

I still wonder why.... Why no other rolls of film were ever connected to that camera?...Also where were the negatives processed and printed? ..Why was the rest of the film roll not utilized? ... I mean regular routine family pictures should have conscientiously occurred to a somewhat frugal Oswald.
 Sorry...58 years later and it all still really stinks.

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2021, 07:23:40 AM »
.. the Oswald Backyard photos went under rigorous forensic photo analysis just a few years ago and every photo was proven to be 100% authentic with absolutely no forgery.
...and Hussein had WMDs.

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Lee Harvey Oswald in the backyard of his Dallas apartment home in April 1963.

For decades, conspiracy theorists have claimed the famous "backyard photo" of Lee Harvey Oswald, which shows him holding the same type of rifle used to assassinate JFK, is a fake a claim that Oswald himself made when he was arrested. But thanks to a scientist who has studied this photo before and stated previously it was "highly improbable that anyone could have created such a perfect forgery with the technology available in 1963," that claim has now been debunked.

A new study out of Dartmouth, published in the Journal of Digital Forensics, Security, and Law, used sophisticated 3D imaging technology to analyze key details of the photo, including Oswald's pose, and found that the photo is indeed authentic, a press release notes.

"Our detailed analysis of Oswald's pose, the lighting and shadows, and the rifle in his hands refutes the argument of photo tampering," said Hany Farid, the study's senior author.

Both the Warren Commission and a special House committee on assassinations had already found photo tampering hadn't taken place, and Farid had done studies in 2009 and 2010 that determined the photo's lighting and shadows were indeed feasible, per Phys.org. But some said that Oswald's pose in the photo, in which he appears to be standing somewhat off-balance, was a physical impossibility, so this time around Farid and his team put the photo through a rigorous 3D stability analysis. By adding appropriate mass little by little to each section of a 3D model of Oswald, they were able to examine Oswald's balance to show he certainly could have stood that way. The study also found, once again, that the lighting, shadows, and rifle length were also plausible.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/10/20/newser-lee-harvey-oswald/74264150/
 Words like feasible and plausible don't sound all that exact to me.
The "study" reproduced models of the photos but did they ever find an actual guy who could stand like that rifle in hand? Oswald could have been on Americas got talent.
Someone explain why the rifle has a scope in some pictures and in others not?

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2021, 10:41:50 PM »
As I've posted in another thread, the Oswald Backyard photos went under rigorous forensic photo analysis just a few years ago and every photo was proven to be 100% authentic with absolutely no forgery. Forged photos from the 60's would be easy to identify, unlike from today, with the best computer technology that can alter photos making it more difficult to ascertain if they are indeed legitimate. Obviously Marina had to take them because Oswald wasn't really close to other people who would have taken them for him.     

At no point in the film does anyone suggest that the photos are faked.

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2021, 11:12:32 PM »
At no point in the film does anyone suggest that the photos are faked.

I'm not talking about the film. I'm talking about people who claim the photos are fake.   

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2021, 11:21:54 PM »
Still wondering why it is so obvious. When demonstrating to Robert Blakey and the HSCA panel.. how she had used the camera ...she held it upside down. She couldn't state at first whether she took more than one picture...no one could explain how a 3rd B Y photo popped up out of the blue thirteen years later ---

I suspect that Roscoe White could have been involved in framing Oswald.

I still wonder why.... Why no other rolls of film were ever connected to that camera?...Also where were the negatives processed and printed? ..Why was the rest of the film roll not utilized? ... I mean regular routine family pictures should have conscientiously occurred to a somewhat frugal Oswald.
 Sorry...58 years later and it all still really stinks.

That could very well be the case with Roscoe White but a rigorous forensic photo analysis was recently done on the photos and all were determined to be authentic. The professor and his team doing the analysis has no bias and their analysis turned up the forensic results that the photos were authentic with no manipulation or forgery. It's pretty hard to refute those findings when no attempt at a forgery was found.

You make some good points about the rolls of film but the analysis determined the photos to be legit.       

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2021, 12:31:56 AM »
...and Hussein had WMDs.
 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/10/20/newser-lee-harvey-oswald/74264150/
 Words like feasible and plausible don't sound all that exact to me.
The "study" reproduced models of the photos but did they ever find an actual guy who could stand like that rifle in hand? Oswald could have been on Americas got talent.
Someone explain why the rifle has a scope in some pictures and in others not?

See, I go on actual evidence and not just a theory. When forensic photo analysis determines photos to be authentic that is conclusive proof and it can't be refuted by a theory. People still want to hold on to that theory even when it's refuted. The analysis was completed and was determined to be authentic. Do you have any forensic evidence completed by a study to refute this analysis that proves the photos were forged?


Backyard photo of Lee Harvey Oswald is authentic, study shows



A new Dartmouth study confirms the authenticity of the famous backyard photo of Lee Harvey Oswald holding the same type of rifle used to assassinate President John F. Kennedy.

The findings refute continued claims that the photo was faked because Oswald's pose is physically implausible. The study, which uses a new digital image forensics technique and a 3-D model of Oswald developed by the Dartmouth researchers, appears in the Journal of Digital Forensics, Security and Law.

"Our detailed analysis of Oswald's pose, the lighting and shadows and the rifle in his hands refutes the argument of photo tampering," says senior author Hany Farid, a professor of computer science and a pioneering researcher in digital forensics whose team develops mathematical and computational techniques to detect tampering in photos, videos, audios and documents.

Oswald was killed before his trial, so he never gave a full accounting of the assassination, which fueled theories that he was part of a conspiracy. The theories point to purported inconsistencies in the events of Nov. 22, 1963, and in the evidence collected against Oswald. One such example is a photograph of Oswald in his backyard holstering a pistol and holding a rifle in one hand and Marxist newspapers in the other. The photo was particularly damning because it showed Oswald holding the same type of rifle that was used to assassinate Kennedy.

At the time of his arrest, Oswald claimed the photo was fake. In addition, it has long been argued that the lighting and shadows in the photo are inconsistent; that Oswald's facial features are inconsistent with other photos of him; that the size of the rifle is inconsistent with the known length of that type of rifle; and that Oswald's pose is physically implausible (it appears as if he is standing off balance).



The Warren Commission and the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded claims of photo tampering were unwarranted. Also, Farid's studies in 2009 and 2010 refuted the claim that the lighting and shadows are inconsistent, but these studies did not address claims that Oswald's pose is physically implausible. In the new study, Farid and his team conducted a 3-D stability analysis to determine if this claim is warranted.



Farid teamed with Assistant Professor Emily Whiting, who specializes in architectural geometry, computer-aided design and 3-D fabrication. With the help of graduate student Srivamshi Pittala, they built a physiologically plausible 3-D model of Oswald and posed this model to match his appearance in the backyard photo. By adding the appropriate mass to each part of the 3-D model, they were able to perform a balance analysis on the 3-D model. This analysis revealed that although Oswald appears off-balance, his pose is stable. The analysis also revealed that the lighting and shadows are physically plausible and the length of the rifle is consistent with the length of the rifle used to kill the president.

"Our analysis refutes purported evidence of manipulation in the Oswald photo, but more generally we believe that the type of detailed 3-D modeling performed here can be a powerful forensic tool in reasoning about the physical plausibility of an image," Farid says. "With a simple adjustment to the height and weight, the 3-D human model that we created can be used to forensically analyze the pose, stability and shadows in any image of people."

https://phys.org/news/2015-10-backyard-photo-lee-harvey-oswald.html

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2021, 01:38:24 AM »
What about that knot on Oswald's right wrist that was there and then miraculously went away...and then was mystifyingly transported to Roscoe White's right wrist in the same identical place?
Pretty weird huh?



Question always was..Why does the photograph look fake? Answer again is experts [supported by the see no evil media]---
Experts [only identified as "the experts"]...concluded that never mind all this doubt folks...all is well in la-la land.





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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2021, 05:33:45 AM »


Click the picture for a fuller size ...notice the hairline on the left side---it looks like a cutout pasting job.
[Admittedly a really good one]
Also...why is there a shadow on the left cheek when the rest of the side is in full sunlight?

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2021, 07:37:10 AM »
What does that have to do with the identical lumps on the right arm?
Also...you might go back and delete the name calling.

The mystery lump is actually quite a common phenomenon usually referred to as... a wrist bone.    ::)

 

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