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Offline Patrick Jackson

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« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2021, 12:53:00 AM »
If he was on the steps of the TSBD then he was surrounded by people, by his fellow co-workers like Frazier and others. They can give him an alibi. There's no need to take off. But I thought you believed he was inside having lunch? He said in a brief interview that he was inside the building at the time of the shooting.

Again: the people who were there, around the steps, didn't know exactly what happened. It was chaos and confusion. Nobody knew what happened. Those who were there said they asked each other about what was going on. In fact, a number of people ran to the Grassy Knoll, fence and overpass. That's where some people thought the shots came from.

Oswald did numerous things after the shooting that I simply don't think an innocent person would have done. In fact, he did things that a guilty person would do. But others, like you, obviously disagree.

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There were not many Oswald coworkers to give him alibi being on the TSBD front steps, two or three, not more... Shelley, Lovelady, Fraizer... He was standing at the back row and everybodys attention was forward. In addition, he might went out minute before motorcade arrived. Now, If you look on how DPD handled Oswald, dragging and pulling him back and forward, if you look Ruby killing him, if you look crowd celebrating his murder, if you are 19 years old in a community hating communists (as Oswald was presented at the very start)... if you take everything into the consideration, will YOU ONLY step up and say he was on the steps? No, sir, you would not have courage same as Frazier never did, nobody would have courage for sure. Fraizer is still alive and I think that one day he will say it but who knows.

People did not know what was going on because of a simple reason: there were NO three gun shots but three sounds. You can search Youtube for videos of people reacting on shooting and gun shoots. Reaction is dunk, run away and hide. If the shots came from the TSBD sixth floor, many, many would dunk, run away and hide but almost nobody did. Instead you have only people next to the limo at Zapruder frame 313 who reacted as people react on shooting. This made you to conclude that shots came from the limo area...

It is true that Oswald did some things that a guilty person would do but that does not makes him guilty, right? Lets say you have illegal gun and you walk down the street and see a murder. What would you do? You know you are not guilty but you still have a gun with you. Will you keep it or throw it away?If you keep it and police finds it, they will interrogate you, maybe make you a suspect. So, you will get rid of it for sure as soon as possible, right? Same as Oswald, leaving TSBD right away, does not make him guilty, having a gun also, resisting a rest also does not make him guilty. Does leaving a wedding ring makes him guilty!? Absolutely not.

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Re: Final Conclusion*
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2021, 01:10:45 AM »
There were not many Oswald coworkers to give him alibi being on the TSBD front steps, two or three, not more... Shelley, Lovelady, Fraizer... He was standing at the back row and everybodys attention was forward. In addition, he might went out minute before motorcade arrived. Now, If you look on how DPD handled Oswald, dragging and pulling him back and forward, if you look Ruby killing him, if you look crowd celebrating his murder, if you are 19 years old in a community hating communists (as Oswald was presented at the very start)... if you take everything into the consideration, will YOU ONLY step up and say he was on the steps? No, sir, you would not have courage same as Frazier never did, nobody would have courage for sure. Fraizer is still alive and I think that one day he will say it but who knows.

People did not know what was going on because of a simple reason: there were NO three gun shots but three sounds. You can search Youtube for videos of people reacting on shooting and gun shoots. Reaction is dunk, run away and hide. If the shots came from the TSBD sixth floor, many, many would dunk, run away and hide but almost nobody did. Instead you have only people next to the limo at Zapruder frame 313 who reacted as people react on shooting. This made you to conclude that shots came from the limo area...

It is true that Oswald did some things that a guilty person would do but that does not makes him guilty, right? Lets say you have illegal gun and you walk down the street and see a murder. What would you do? You know you are not guilty but you still have a gun with you. Will you keep it or throw it away?If you keep it and police finds it, they will interrogate you, maybe make you a suspect. So, you will get rid of it for sure as soon as possible, right? Same as Oswald, leaving TSBD right away, does not make him guilty, having a gun also, resisting a rest also does not make him guilty. Does leaving a wedding ring makes him guilty!? Absolutely not.

Does leaving a wedding ring makes him guilty!? Absolutely not.

In the mind of a die hard LN it most certainly does..... They are so obsessed with Oswald being a lone nut shooter, that him leaving a light on is for them conclusive evidence of guilt

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Re: Final Conclusion*
« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2021, 03:41:18 AM »
Does leaving a wedding ring makes him guilty!? Absolutely not.
_Agreed

In the mind of a die hard LN it most certainly does..... They are so obsessed with Oswald being a lone nut shooter, that him leaving a light on is for them conclusive evidence of guilt
_Leaving all his money AND wedding ring behind was strange
_Eliminate one of those and fewer LN eyebrows will be raised

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« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2021, 09:51:34 AM »
Does leaving a wedding ring makes him guilty!? Absolutely not.
_Agreed

In the mind of a die hard LN it most certainly does..... They are so obsessed with Oswald being a lone nut shooter, that him leaving a light on is for them conclusive evidence of guilt
_Leaving all his money AND wedding ring behind was strange
_Eliminate one of those and fewer LN eyebrows will be raised

And let's not forget, Oswald did something similar when he missed sitting duck Walker.

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« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2021, 09:59:31 AM »
And let's not forget, Oswald did something similar when he missed sitting duck Walker.

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« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2021, 10:42:24 AM »
Does leaving a wedding ring makes him guilty!? Absolutely not.

In the mind of a die hard LN it most certainly does..... They are so obsessed with Oswald being a lone nut shooter, that him leaving a light on is for them conclusive evidence of guilt
Among all the people at Dealey Plaza at 12:30PM, Oswald was probably the only one person of interest due to his life in USSR. If you would line them all together, you would only pick him for further interrogation. He was aware of this and he run away even he had nothing to do with it.
OK, he left the ring and the money, probably expecting he will be apprehended and questioned.
Still, you come to a gun question, why did he take the gun? He was in a great fear and could not think clearly.
All in all, when you take everything into the consideration, it is very hard to accept he did it as a LN.

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« Reply #46 on: November 26, 2021, 03:27:57 PM »
Does leaving a wedding ring makes him guilty!? Absolutely not.

In the mind of a die hard LN it most certainly does..... They are so obsessed with Oswald being a lone nut shooter, that him leaving a light on is for them conclusive evidence of guilt

Talk about a strawman.  No LNer in history has ever suggested that the fact that Oswald left his wedding ring at home that morning "makes him guilty."  LOL.  Rather, in the context of the totality of circumstances and evidence that links Oswald to this crime, it is just another brick in the wall of his guilt.  For the first and only time of his marriage according to Marina, Oswald left his wedding ring at home that morning after an unscheduled visit to the Paine home (where he also kept his rifle).   The same day he would be arrested for the assassination of JFK.  What a coincidence.  Tell us again how you are impartial and not a CTer.  Whew.

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« Reply #47 on: November 26, 2021, 04:31:49 PM »
Talk about a strawman.  No LNer in history has ever suggested that the fact that Oswald left his wedding ring at home that morning "makes him guilty."  LOL.  Rather, in the context of the totality of circumstances and evidence that links Oswald to this crime, it is just another brick in the wall of his guilt.  For the first and only time of his marriage according to Marina, Oswald left his wedding ring at home that morning after an unscheduled visit to the Paine home (where he also kept his rifle).   The same day he would be arrested for the assassination of JFK.  What a coincidence.  Tell us again how you are impartial and not a CTer.  Whew.
It's interesting (but not really) that Mr. "I challenge all claims equally and it's a lie to say otherwise" is completely silent about challenging Patrick Jackson's conspiracy claims. No, he makes a claim up about the wedding ring. No lone assassin believer has said what he claims. It's not just a strawman it's an invisible man. It's nowhere to be seen.

There are about a dozen posts/threads here - the Stone movie, another conspiracy book, et cetera - making conspiracy arguments. And Mr. "I challenge all claims equally" has posted zero times at any of those challenging those allegations.

I do agree with him on one thing, though. Somebody in this exchange with him is making things up. They certainly are.



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Re: Final Conclusion*
« Reply #48 on: November 27, 2021, 01:02:49 PM »
Talk about a strawman.  No LNer in history has ever suggested that the fact that Oswald left his wedding ring at home that morning "makes him guilty."  LOL.  Rather, in the context of the totality of circumstances and evidence that links Oswald to this crime, it is just another brick in the wall of his guilt.  For the first and only time of his marriage according to Marina, Oswald left his wedding ring at home that morning after an unscheduled visit to the Paine home (where he also kept his rifle).   The same day he would be arrested for the assassination of JFK.  What a coincidence.  Tell us again how you are impartial and not a CTer.  Whew.

Talk about a strawman.

So, you don't know what a strawman actually is.... that explains a lot  Thumb1:

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Re: Final Conclusion*
« Reply #49 on: November 27, 2021, 09:55:17 PM »
It's interesting (but not really) that Mr. "I challenge all claims equally and it's a lie to say otherwise" is completely silent about challenging Patrick Jackson's conspiracy claims. No, he makes a claim up about the wedding ring. No lone assassin believer has said what he claims. It's not just a strawman it's an invisible man. It's nowhere to be seen.

There are about a dozen posts/threads here - the Stone movie, another conspiracy book, et cetera - making conspiracy arguments. And Mr. "I challenge all claims equally" has posted zero times at any of those challenging those allegations.

I do agree with him on one thing, though. Somebody in this exchange with him is making things up. They certainly are.

Please show us all where I actually said what you have quoted here;

"I challenge all claims equally and it's a lie to say otherwise"

or be exposed as a liar.

 

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