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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2021, 04:55:21 PM »
So you are suggesting that JFK would knowingly allow an innocent man to take the blame for his assassination and spend the rest of his life in jail or perhaps even be executed?   Doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement of JFK's character.   You do raise some interesting points regarding JFK's health.   We now know that JFK suffered from numerous health conditions which were treated with a laundry list of drugs.  JFK lied and covered up his health conditions while running for office.  Under modern standards and perhaps even at that time, he would have been deemed incapable of being president had those facts come to light.  Imagine if the press found out that President Trump had been taking the same list of drugs as JFK including amphetamines while president?  They would have called for his resignation and claimed he was a risk to national security.  But JFK got a pass from the leftist press.  Some things never change.
How did JFK "get a pass" about this matter? The evidence is that the drug regimen he was on was a well-guarded secret. No one outside a small circle of people knew about it. Robert Dallek only broke it in 2002 when he was given access to JFK's medical records.

It was a different era, a time when the media was much more supportive of the presidency. Any president. Especially on private matters.

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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2021, 05:51:23 PM »
How did JFK "get a pass" about this matter? The evidence is that the drug regimen he was on was a well-guarded secret. No one outside a small circle of people knew about it. Robert Dallek only broke it in 2002 when he was given access to JFK's medical records.

It was a different era, a time when the media was much more supportive of the presidency. Any president. Especially on private matters.

I'm pretty sure Nixon would not have been treated the same.  In fact, a few years later the media basically ended his presidency.  But the real point is that JFK suffered from serious health concerns and took a laundry list of drugs that should have precluded him from ever being president.  He lied about those conditions and no one from the press ever bothered to investigate. 

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« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2021, 06:31:41 PM »
So you are suggesting that JFK would knowingly allow an innocent man to take the blame for his assassination and spend the rest of his life in jail or perhaps even be executed?
Of course not. Oswald was a wrong man on the wrong place. Because of his life in USSR and coming back to the US, he was a person of interest. If he did not left TSBD in panic, if he was calm and waited everything to settle that day, most probably he would not be charged. When he saw the "assassination" he left TSBD in panic knowing that he will be prime suspect. I am sure you would do the same.

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« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2021, 06:34:18 PM »
How did you come up with this "theory"?
Everything is in photos, videos, testimonies... When I started researching, I set my mind to see if there is something else apart CT and LN and it showed that the truth is somewhere between.

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« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2021, 06:53:38 PM »
Of course not. Oswald was a wrong man on the wrong place. Because of his life in USSR and coming back to the US, he was a person of interest. If he did not left TSBD in panic, if he was calm and waited everything to settle that day, most probably he would not be charged. When he saw the "assassination" he left TSBD in panic knowing that he will be prime suspect. I am sure you would do the same.

How do you figure that since Oswald's rifle was left at the crime scene by someone?  Obviously, he either left it there or someone else left it there to frame him for the crime.   

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« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2021, 07:27:39 PM »
Of course not. Oswald was a wrong man on the wrong place. Because of his life in USSR and coming back to the US, he was a person of interest. If he did not left TSBD in panic, if he was calm and waited everything to settle that day, most probably he would not be charged. When he saw the "assassination" he left TSBD in panic knowing that he will be prime suspect. I am sure you would do the same.
How did he know the "assassination" occurred? How did he know he would be the suspect? If he was having lunch at the time of the shooting, then came out to see what happened, how did he know anything about what happened? People around the TSBD were unsure as to what happened. They heard shots but weren't' sure whether the president was hit or not.

According to the people who where there and from photos and films, it was chaos. Nobody really knew what happened. It was all confusion and rumors. But you think Oswald saw all of this, concluded the president was shot, and then further concluded I better run because I'm going to be blamed? Why not stay and show he couldn't have done it?

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« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2021, 07:32:59 PM »
I'm pretty sure Nixon would not have been treated the same.  In fact, a few years later the media basically ended his presidency.  But the real point is that JFK suffered from serious health concerns and took a laundry list of drugs that should have precluded him from ever being president.  He lied about those conditions and no one from the press ever bothered to investigate.
My question as to how the media gave him a pass for his drug regimen is still on the table. Dallek broke the story in 2002. He says the treatment was closely held and only known by a small group in the Kennedy circle. The media didn't know about it so they couldn't have given JFK a "pass."

As to the press: RFK and JFK had to answer the claims that JFK suffered from serious illness, specifically Addison's Disease. He lied. It was a different era, the media were simply not as confrontational or challenging as they are now. And JFK appeared remarkably healthy except for his bad back problems. There was nothing indicating outwardly that he was as ill as he was.
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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2021, 08:07:38 PM »
My question as to how the media gave him a pass for his drug regimen is still on the table. Dallek broke the story in 2002. He says the treatment was closely held and only known by a small group in the Kennedy circle. The media didn't know about it so they couldn't have given JFK a "pass."

As to the press: RFK and JFK had to answer the claims that JFK suffered from serious illness, specifically Addison's Disease. He lied. It was a different era, the media were simply not as confrontational or challenging as they are now. And JFK appeared remarkably healthy except for his bad problems. There was nothing indicating outwardly that he was as ill as he was.

Nixon lied to the media as well.  The media didn't give him a pass.  They investigated and found sources.  DC is full of folks willing to leak information.  JFK had long, well publicized stays in the hospital over the years including during his term in Congress.  He almost died.  It was a different time but the media gave him a pass on many topics including his health, womanizing etc.  Had they been interested in doing his administration harm, as they did with Nixon, he would have been toast.  But they were elitist liberals and JFK was their president.   

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« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2021, 08:07:51 AM »
How do you figure that since Oswald's rifle was left at the crime scene by someone?  Obviously, he either left it there or someone else left it there to frame him for the crime.
There are testimonies that one TSBD employee brought Mauser rifle the previous day and showed to his colleagues. In this moment I cannot search for exact data but it is there for sure. Nobody investigated what exactly happened to that Mauser and I believe that was the rifle found in TSBD, not Oswalds Carcano. There are many discussions and comparisons between this two rifles.

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« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2021, 08:18:52 AM »
How did he know the "assassination" occurred? How did he know he would be the suspect? If he was having lunch at the time of the shooting, then came out to see what happened, how did he know anything about what happened? People around the TSBD were unsure as to what happened. They heard shots but weren't' sure whether the president was hit or not.

According to the people who where there and from photos and films, it was chaos. Nobody really knew what happened. It was all confusion and rumors. But you think Oswald saw all of this, concluded the president was shot, and then further concluded I better run because I'm going to be blamed? Why not stay and show he couldn't have done it?
At the very instant there were people who claimed it was assassination. If Oswald was on the TSBD steps he must have heard the sounds and saw the commotion, people running towards Grassy knoll. If you were there, what would you think that is happening? Firecrackers, motorcycle backfires or gun shots? People reactions corresponds to what? Nah, it was firecrackers guys, clam down and go home... Nah, it was back fire... Or, it were gun shots and people got panic? Immediate reaction of everybody could only mean that there were gun shots and there was no reason Oswald to think about anything else but gun shots.
Why he did not stay? Well, he got panicked as everybody else. 

 

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