U.S. Politics

[Royell Storing]

Question: How could the American electorate be so ignorant as to elect Donald Trump in 2016 and 2020?

Answer: It was the result of the cumulative effects of fifty-plus years of KGB disinformation and "active measures" operations aimed at getting Americans to distrust their government.

For example, Oliver Stone's 1991 film, "JFK," the origins of which can be traced back to an anti-Clay Shaw / anti-CIA article published in a Communist-owned Italian newspaper, Paese Sera, three days after overly ambitious, scandal-plagued, and revengeful New Orleans DA Jim Garrison arrested Shaw on suspicion of having masterminded a homosexual thrill-kill assassination of JFK, and which article motivated Garrison to change his theory against Shaw to "He organized it for the evil, evil CIA."

   It's good seeing that time has opened your eyes. Like Nixon in 1960, Trump did Win in 2020. "Better late than never".
   

[Tom Graves]

Nixon won in 1960. Trump won in 2020.

Dear Dana Rohrabacher I mean Royell Storing,

It's too bad that a Kremlin-loyal triple agent at the FBI's NYC field office (KGB Major Aleksey Kulak -- aka FEDORA -- sent by Gribanov to the FBI in early 1962) convinced Nixon in 1971 that the Kremlin had a complete copy of The Pentagon Papers (it didn't), and thereby duped him into setting up The Plumbers.

If Trump won in 2020 as you say, why did sixty courts say otherwise?

Because they're part of "The Deep State"?

-- Tom

PS

[Former U.S. Congressman] Rohrabacher is known for his longtime friendship with Putin and for his defense of "the Russian point of view".[73][74] On June 15, 2016, then-House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy told a group of Republicans, "'There's two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump. Swear to God'". Then-House Speaker Paul Ryan ended the conversation by saying "'No leaks. This is how we know we're a real family here'". The Republicans present were sworn to secrecy.[75] Brendan Buck, counselor to Paul Ryan, initially denied these reports, but was then told that The Washington Post had a recording.[76] After the recording was leaked by the Post in May 2017, McCarthy said the comment was intended as a joke.[75][36][77]

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[John Corbett]

   It's good seeing that time has opened your eyes. Like Nixon in 1960, Trump did Win in 2020. "Better late than never".
 

I am a Trump supporter and I don't believe he won the 2020 election anymore than I believe Nixon won in 1960. There seemed to be some shady things going on but I see no way it could have decided the election. Biden flipped five states that Trump won in 2016 and to reverse the outcome, Trump would have needed to hold three of them. I don't see how that is remotely possible.

Likewise, JFK won the electoral college comfortably. The election came down to the last 3 large states that were still up for grabs, Illinois, Missouri, and Texas. Nixon had to win at least Illinois and Texas to win the electoral college. He lost all three. Had he won Missouri and one of the other two, the election would have been decided by the House of Representatives as Harry Byrd's 15 electoral votes would have prevented either man from getting a majority.

Illinois has always got most of the attention due to the alleged vote manipulation by Dick Daley's Cook County machine, which almost certainly did create votes for JFK. What people ignore is the fact the Republicans were doing the same thing in their stronghold of Lake County in the northern suburbs of Chicago. The Republicans accused the Democrats of cheating better than they did. Even if Nixon had carried Illinois, he still would have lost the election as he failed to carry Texas or Missouri.

[Royell Storing]

Question: How could the American electorate be so ignorant as to elect Donald Trump in 2016 and 2020?

Answer: It was the result of the cumulative effects of fifty-plus years of KGB disinformation and "active measures" operations aimed at getting Americans to distrust their government.

For example, Oliver Stone's 1991 film, "JFK," the origins of which can be traced back to an anti-Clay Shaw / anti-CIA article published in a Communist-owned Italian newspaper, Paese Sera, three days after overly ambitious, scandal-plagued, and revengeful New Orleans DA Jim Garrison arrested Shaw on suspicion of having masterminded a homosexual thrill-kill assassination of JFK, and which article motivated Garrison to change his theory against Shaw to "He organized it for the evil, evil CIA."

   Above, YOU are the one saying that Trump won in 2020. You clearly made a, "Freudian slip".

[Tom Graves]

Above, YOU are the one saying that Trump won in 2020. You clearly made a, "Freudian slip".

Nice catch, Rohrabacher I mean Storing.

But even if Trump had won in 2020 (which he didn't), the question remains:

How could so many Americans be so ignorant as to vote for him?

The answer: In 1959, when the Kremlin realized that the USSR and the Warsaw Pact couldn't defeat the U.S. and NATO militarily and decided to get us to defeat ourselves, the KGB began waging disinformation and "active measures" operations against us in order to, among other things, get us to distrust our own government.

As an example of said disinformation, I give you Oliver Stone's 1991 self-described mythological -- "to counter the myth of the Warren Report" -- film "JFK," which story can be traced back to a March 1967 "active measures" article published in a Communist-owned Italian newspaper three days after overly ambitious, scandal-plagued, and revengeful Jim Garrison arrested Clay Shaw on suspicion of having masterminded a homosexual "thrill-kill" assassination of JFK . . . which article motivated Garrison to change his theory against Shaw to "He organized it for the evil, evil CIA!!!".

A brief timeline:

In 1977, Trump marries a Czechoslovakian woman whose father was an informant for the StB (which worked closely with the KGB) and she feeds her father intel; Trump is marked down for recruitment by a KGB "spotter" by the name of Semyon Kislin in Manhattan in 1980; Trump sells five Trump Tower condos to a Russian Mafia figure by the name of David Bogatin for approximately $6 million in cash (a total of thirteen Russian mafiosos eventually live in Trump Tower); Trump is visited unannounced by the Soviet Ambassador to the U.N. and his daughter in 1986; Trump is seated next to said Ambassador at an Este Lauder gala dinner, Trump is shortly thereafter invited to Moscow "all-expenses-paid" and visits Moscow in 1987; when Trump returns, he places a full-page anti-NATO ad in three major newspapers and runs for President (unsuccessfully).

Then, of course, in 2016 Putin's hackers, professional trolls, KGB/GRU agents, and zombified (like you?) "useful idiots" (or worse) get him "elected."

Go figure, Rohrabacher I mean Storing.


-- Tom

*Today's SVR and FSB

[Tom Graves]

I am a Trump supporter and I don't believe he won the 2020 election anymore than I believe Nixon won in 1960. There seemed to be some shady things going on but I see no way it could have decided the election. Biden flipped five states that Trump won in 2016 and to reverse the outcome, Trump would have needed to hold three of them. I don't see how that is remotely possible.

Likewise, JFK won the electoral college comfortably. The election came down to the last 3 large states that were still up for grabs, Illinois, Missouri, and Texas. Nixon had to win at least Illinois and Texas to win the electoral college. He lost all three. Had he won Missouri and one of the other two, the election would have been decided by the House of Representatives as Harry Byrd's 15 electoral votes would have prevented either man from getting a majority.

Illinois has always got most of the attention due to the alleged vote manipulation by Dick Daley's Cook County machine, which almost certainly did create votes for JFK. What people ignore is the fact the Republicans were doing the same thing in their stronghold of Lake County in the northern suburbs of Chicago. The Republicans accused the Democrats of cheating better than they did. Even if Nixon had carried Illinois, he still would have lost the election as he failed to carry Texas or Missouri.

Why the muck (rhymes with xxxx) are you a Trump supporter?

[John Corbett]

Why the muck (rhymes with xxxx) are you a Trump supporter?

For starters, he's not a Democrat